i hate nerd tunnel vision. "I know a lot about some related things so I must know the answer.
"mouse study suggests contigent relationship between fructose and cancer cell behavior as seen in the specific limited models of the study, inviting further research"
to
"Public figure with especially agressive and entirely unrelated cancer reportedly ate something that happens to contain fructose and eventually died! Same thing!"
In the big picture of cancer research, there are countless caveats and idiosycracies because most cancers are more different from each other than they are similar. This is only amplified when you're trying to make inferences about dietary consumption, where interactions between coincident foodstuffs have large chaotic effects and species (and individuals) often have different digestive behavior on the way from dietary food to some intracellular interaction.
Ignoring all that inherent, acknowledged, complexity so that one might harp on some dead punching bag whose story is only known through the lens of commercial media is about as anti-scientific as you could be.
Just as celebrities with diseases can draw attention to that disease, for the good with regard to other sufferers, a study about fructose and cancer can draw attention to "Steve Jobs diet was fructose".
Attention drawn. There's nothing you can do about it.
And you are not debunking anything because nobody asserted anything except a single fact; you're just shouting in a mirror about how clever you are.
Using Steve Jobs as an example is also anecdata.
> That there were treatments available that he forwent is immaterial
Is it really?
> i hate nerd tunnel vision
I don't hate anyone but if I did, I'd probably start with people who don't extend compassion and understanding where it costs nothing to do so.
You are not the only person with experience with this kind of cancer in the family and have no compassion for the many sugar addicts going through cancer getting served fruit juice when they go to the hospital, which is poison for them.
It's not even a fact that it was a life-long diet.
It's certainly not a known fact that it caused his cancer. You don't know. Nobody knows.
Steve Jobs was not a life-long fruitarian. He dabbled in all sorts of different diets. According to Walter Isaacson’s biography he seems to have generally lived as a pescatarian. Interestingly enough that diet is considered one of the healthier ones.
Obviously Steve Jobs should not have delayed his surgery. I understand that people are angry that a man with his means was still able to get a transplant and all the medical care that is unavailable for the rest of us. I understand. However to assume that his disease (and death) was the result of a diet choice when there is no credible evidence for it seems rather absurd.
That's something I never heard. Are you angry because Steve Jobs got a transplant?
> However to assume that his disease (and death) was the result of a diet choice when there is no credible evidence for it seems rather absurd.
Have you tried reading the research in the post before commenting?
I am not angry however that was a sentiment often linked to the fact that he delayed his surgery.
> Have you tried reading the research in the post before commenting?
Unless I missed a comment there was absolutely no serious research shared that credibly connects let alone confirms that his death was connected to this diet choice.
I said Steve Jobs was a single datapoint.
You said your parent gave you the right to tell people here to fuck off.
you don't think other people here have close relatives who died of cancer? and this informs us about fructose in this study how?
I literally did not, did I? I mean, that is pure projection.
I'm sure I don't have any such right, nor should I need it.
that's bro science. With or without fiber, fructose will be separated and metabolized by the liver and go through the cycle described by the research. Read the thing.
Fructose from whole fruits is processed and metabolized differently. Indeed fructose trapped inside fiber will take some time to be digested, and a sharp blood spike is prevented. Sugar from fruits is not bad in the way sugar from soda is bad.