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Re:A real letter from a CEO to his employees. by sadiq on Wednesday January 07, 2009 @06:18AM (#423304)
http://www.crowley-crisp.com/Principals/tabid/55/Default.asp...

That's the guy and the company website.

Seems like they're still going!

Re:A real letter from a CEO to his employees. by potatolicious on Wednesday January 07, 2009 @07:47AM (#423357)
"Professional" engineers my ass. Up here in Canada engineering is a regulated profession, and similar to doctors, we're expected to put the interests of the general public above our own. There is a purpose higher than merely making boatloads of cash (and I honestly don't think this man is starving).
Re:A real letter from a CEO to his employees. by corentin on Wednesday January 07, 2009 @08:08AM (#423371)
It's regulated to prevent free competition from lowering your wages. So much for the "interests of the general public"...
Re:A real letter from a CEO to his employees. by redrobot5050 on Wednesday January 07, 2009 @11:06AM (#423550)
No, you have to be certified by a professional society to be considered an engineer. You can't just dub yourself a "Software Engineer" because you self-taught yourself visual basic.

Likewise, there are certain legal penalties attached to performing the duties of an engineer without certification. Its like architects in the U.S. -- they put a final "seal" on their blueprints. Its their name/career/license on the hook if the building falls down and kills people.

Re:A real letter from a CEO to his employees. by corentin on Wednesday January 07, 2009 @04:16PM (#423966)
> You can't just dub yourself a "Software Engineer" because you self-taught yourself visual basic.

Well, to me it just looks like canadian Engineers(TM) are afraid of competition.

Re:A real letter from a CEO to his employees. by potatolicious on Wednesday January 07, 2009 @04:58PM (#424027)
Actually, software engineering is relatively new to the engineering profession here in Canada (and elsewhere too, I suppose).

To clarify, in Canada:

- You cannot call yourself an engineer unless you're a graduate of a CEAB accredited program.

- You can perform engineering without being a certified engineer.

- You cannot approve final designs without being a licensed professional engineer, which involves graduating from an accredited program (or recognized foreign equivalent), as well as passing technical competency and ethical integrity exams.

- Engineers are held personally liable for the consequences of their work. No passing the buck to your employer, and no "just following orders" Nuremburg excuses.

- Engineering advice you give, on duty or off, just like doctors and lawyers, unless otherwise indicated, are legal engineering advice, and you can be held accountable for its consequences. E.g. Advising your neighbor that'd he'd need a 5" support column for his deck, and if you're wrong, he can sue you for damages.

The difference is that non-software engineering is routinely life-or-death, and there are enough considerations in your average engineering task that you really don't want someone who hasn't been comprehensively educated doing the job.