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Re:California's most neglected group of students: the gifted... by aspenmayer on Tuesday November 26, 2024 @05:05PM (#42250575)
Regardless of whether or not either interlocutor understands the term, using the term virtue signaling itself is self-defeating for both parties for different reasons.

For the one hearing it, it’s a red herring, and for the one saying it, it’s a dog whistle. For the third party person reading the interaction without or with lesser context, it’s a thought-terminating cliche.

Re:California's most neglected group of students: the gifted... by exe34 on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @06:23AM (#42255158)
> For the third party person reading the interaction without or with lesser context, it’s a thought-terminating cliche.

if one's thought is so easily terminated, maybe there wasn't as much thought as one might think to begin with.

Re:California's most neglected group of students: the gifted... by aspenmayer on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @10:59PM (#42262316)
If good faith weren't a prerequisite for reasoned debate, perhaps.
Re:California's most neglected group of students: the gifted... by exe34 on Thursday November 28, 2024 @05:21AM (#42264100)
remember, we're talking about somebody getting triggered by the words "virtue-signalling", so I think good faith left the conversation a few stops back.
Re:California's most neglected group of students: the gifted... by aspenmayer on Saturday November 30, 2024 @03:26AM (#42280352)
This is part of why it’s a bad term - its meaning is almost impossible to understand even in context because it means different things to different people and people read a lot into it. It’s kind of overloaded and seems like flamebait to me, I guess.

Some interesting bits here as well (italics added for emphasis):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling

> However, some argue that these expressions of outrage or moral alignment may reflect genuine concern, and that accusing others of virtue signalling can itself be a form of signalling. This has led to the coining of a related concept, vice signalling, which refers to the public promotion of negative or controversial views to appear tough, pragmatic, or rebellious, often for political or social capital.

I would add on and argue that using the term virtue signaling is itself an example of virtue signaling.