Re:Go and Java: Rethinking Type Safety for the Pragmatic Age
by cobbal on Tuesday November 26, 2024 @04:46PM
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I'm not completely sure what this example is trying to illustrate. Most languages with proper sum types would have `Map<K, V>.get` return an `Optional<V>`. If V happens to be `Optional<Integer>`, then the result will be an `Optional<Optional<Integer>>`, which is a perfectly good type that represents the two ways a value may be missing from the map.
Am I missing something?
Re:Go and Java: Rethinking Type Safety for the Pragmatic Age
by pbh101 on Tuesday November 26, 2024 @04:56PM
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The Map interface pre-dates Optional and does not return Optional, so it won't return an empty Optional but rather null.
To be more clear:
Map<K, V>.get(foo)
returns a `V`, not an `Optional<V>`. If your `V` is `Optional<WrappedV>`, cool, but that doesn't change that `Map` either finds or doesn't find a V.
Re:Go and Java: Rethinking Type Safety for the Pragmatic Age
by stickfigure on Tuesday November 26, 2024 @05:14PM
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The parent certainly knows this. Additional methods could be added to `Map` which return `Optional`. I am annoyed by their absence every day.
Re:Go and Java: Rethinking Type Safety for the Pragmatic Age
by pbh101 on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @01:27AM
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Maybe. They didn't seem to communicate any specific knowledge of the Java standard library. Agree an
Optional<V> get(K)
sounds like an 'obvious' addition, though also I've found that when something 'obvious' isn't added to Java since 1.7, the explanation proffered makes sense to me.
Re:Go and Java: Rethinking Type Safety for the Pragmatic Age
by cogman10 on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @01:02PM
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Java doesn't have return type function dispatch.
If you had something like:
var x = map.get(k);
The type of `x` could not be inferred.The best they could hope for is a signature like `Optional<V> getOpt(K);`. Which wouldn't be terribly bad as Java currently has an annoying get definition in the `Map` interface because it predates generics (The current signature is `V get(Object)`).
Regardless, if they do want to change the interface, it'd probably be best if they waited for Valhalla to land. One of the problems with `Optional` as it stands is it creates a load of GC pressure. If `Optional` is converted into a value class then there will be effectively no overhead to returning it everywhere.
If you have something like
if `1` isn't present in the map then `foo` has to be set to something. It will be `null` in this case.If the new null restricted stuff makes it in, you can express this as
and yet, `foo` will still end up being `null` in that case (I assume) because something has to come back if `1` isn't present.At best, that will prevent you from doing `map.put(1, null);`