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Re:New Calculation Finds we are close to the Kessler Syndrom... by kmeisthax on Thursday November 21, 2024 @12:28AM (#42201410)
No. The space junk at a given orbit makes it unviable to put more satellites in that orbit, but launching beyond that orbit is still viable.
Re:New Calculation Finds we are close to the Kessler Syndrom... by throwaway888889 on Thursday November 21, 2024 @05:02AM (#42202700)
How can you get past that orbit if there is all this junk destroying your rockets????
Re:New Calculation Finds we are close to the Kessler Syndrom... by Retric on Thursday November 21, 2024 @05:21AM (#42202798)
Ideally a satellite is in a given orbit for years. If junk is destroying it in weeks or even months you’ve got a massive issue.

However a rocket is spending in a seconds in that same orbit. Thus a rocket passing through may only have say 1:10,000 odds of a collision on its way to mars while satellites are getting shredded.

Re:New Calculation Finds we are close to the Kessler Syndrom... by ryankshaw on Thursday November 21, 2024 @10:42AM (#42205438)
Thanks for the explanation.

So you don’t think the 1:10k odds compounded over every space launch are enough to be a problem?

I was thinking that maybe as you get to a scale where you have things coming and going all the time, and each time they have to pass through the debris layer, and if they have bad luck they become part of that debris, that eventually you get to a point where even just passing through that layer is untenable. But you don’t think that is likely even for a society sending out interplanetary vessels every day?

Re:New Calculation Finds we are close to the Kessler Syndrom... by Retric on Thursday November 21, 2024 @11:02AM (#42205642)
A problem, but not an insurmountable one.

Being hit isn’t the same as being destroyed, you can track and avoid large objects, and small are survivable in the short term. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipple_shield Collisions however keep adding up until a satellite fails.

Second an outbound rocket need not be in orbit, so if it is destroyed that may not result in extra orbital debris the overwhelming majority of mass could fall back to earth.

Also, Kessler syndrome isn’t a forever thing. There’s a reason planets have rings not debris clouds. It’s possible to have a steady state where the rate you’re making it worse is balanced with the rate things are naturally clearing.

Re:New Calculation Finds we are close to the Kessler Syndrom... by throwaway888889 on Thursday November 21, 2024 @09:09PM (#42210539)
Yes exactly ... This is a cloud of junk that stops anything getting out....
Re:New Calculation Finds we are close to the Kessler Syndrom... by the8472 on Thursday November 21, 2024 @06:26AM (#42203195)
integrate risk over time. if you have a high target orbit outside the "kessler belt" then you don't spend much time going through it. though this requires a fairly direct orbital insertion. slow orbit raising would have a higher risk, but even that would still be lower than for any satellite intended to operate for years and decades in an affected orbit.
Re:New Calculation Finds we are close to the Kessler Syndrom... by Cthulhu_ on Thursday November 21, 2024 @06:13AM (#42203116)
It really depends on how much junk actually is there and in what orbits; especially at 500 km up, space is big. The surface area of the earth is 510.100.000 square kilometers, at 500 kilometers the 'surface area' is a multiple of that (I can't math), surely there's enough gaps or lower-density areas at that height even if there was a catastrophic Kessler Syndrome event.
Re:New Calculation Finds we are close to the Kessler Syndrom... by aargh_aargh on Thursday November 21, 2024 @06:27AM (#42203216)
The surface area at 500 km is 1.16 of the Earth surface area.