Yi Peng 3 crossed both cables C-Lion 1 and BSC at times matching when they broke

Re:Yi Peng 3 crossed both cables C-Lion 1 and BSC at times m... by adriand on Wednesday November 20, 2024 @07:31AM (#42193351)

If you add up all the aid from the US and compare it to aid from the EU plus European nations, I think the share of contributions is roughly equal. But if that’s right (and I did the math in my head while scrolling a huge spreadsheet on my phone), then the loss of support from the US is significant. The US ability to produce armaments is also unparalleled in the West, so a loss of that supply is also a huge issue. Then you have the loss of the US as a military backer which may free Putin to be more aggressive - dirty bombs, tactical nukes, blowing up a nuclear reactor, assassinating Ukrainian leadership, who knows what. It’s a huge problem for Ukraine if they lose the US. But will they? It’s hard to know for certain.

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Re:Yi Peng 3 crossed both cables C-Lion 1 and BSC at times m... by diggan on Wednesday November 20, 2024 @07:33AM (#42193362)

Thanks a lot for doing that, even thought kind of ad-hoc :) Some data for guesses is better than none!

I'm guessing that if US pulls their support, EU will try to add as much to cover up for it as humanly possible, as most compatriots see Ukraine as the frontline of something that can grow much, much bigger which because of remembering history, we'd obviously like to avoid.

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Re:Yi Peng 3 crossed both cables C-Lion 1 and BSC at times m... by bluGill on Wednesday November 20, 2024 @10:20AM (#42194635)

Europe is great at producing armaments as well - but there are a lot of useful armaments that are only produced in the US. If you had to choose either EU or US support, the US is the better option as they can give you things that the EU cannot even though the EU has more people than the US and a good economy.

The Patriot system is one the of best examples. EU doesn't really have anything in this space, but Ukraine needs more of it yesterday.

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Re:Yi Peng 3 crossed both cables C-Lion 1 and BSC at times m... by diggan on Wednesday November 20, 2024 @10:42AM (#42194891)

> The Patriot system is one the of best examples. EU doesn't really have anything in this space, but Ukraine needs more of it yesterday.

Are you talking about SAM capabilities or something else? Because there are plenty of SAMs produced by European countries; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_surface-to-air_missile...

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Re:Yi Peng 3 crossed both cables C-Lion 1 and BSC at times m... by bluGill on Wednesday November 20, 2024 @12:53PM (#42196483)

The full setup for missile defense. This includes radar, computers and so on.

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Re:Yi Peng 3 crossed both cables C-Lion 1 and BSC at times m... by apelapan on Wednesday November 20, 2024 @02:34PM (#42197316)

The European system often contain some American components. Perhaps the French a bit less so.

This has turned out to be a major problem, as the US has used their re-export restrictions on components to block very significant parts of planned European military aid to Ukraine.

I speculate that there will be (already is) some extremely heavy investments in military tech R&D to remove/reduce dependence on American components going forward. As a continent, we can't have our hands tied like this in future conflicts.

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