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Ukraine has been fighting Russia since the 17th century, long before NATO (and powers like the US or Germany) existed[0]. The current war is a continuation of that.

The fact that Finland joined NATO without consequence indicates that the "some" in question are.. Kremlin.

> and I agree with that analysis

That's not an "analysis", that's wishful thinking, at best, and is not grounded in reality.

"The invasion was caused by Ukraine's intent to join a defensive alliance to protect itself from such an invasion" is a leap of logic that comes from a singular place on this planet.

On that note:

>There are some who argue that the whole war could have been avoided...

...if Ukraine was not pushed to give up its own nuclear weapons by the US.

Those "some" people being:

- Bill Clinton[1], who made that push (and admirably, took responsibility for this), and

- John Mearsheimer[2], who made a case for Ukrainian nuclear deterrent back in 1993.

I tend to listen to people with credibility and credentials, not randos spreading misinformation, sorry.

>Not that they cared about those territories anyway. Ukraine was shelling the people who live there in recent years. It's no wonder that they voted to join Russia.

Abscond and perish.

On the way there, let me know when the million or two people who were forced out of Donbas by Russian invaders (and are now internal refugees in Ukraine) got a chance to vote to "join Russia".

[0] https://old.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/11q76sj/psa_the_hi...

[1] https://www.newsweek.com/bill-clinton-ukraine-war-russia-nuc...

[2] https://www.mearsheimer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Mears...