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Re:Gandhi Letter to Adolf Hitler by throw0101b on Sunday November 17, 2024 @01:03PM (#42165691)
> While Gandhi's philosophy sounds nice in theory, it may not always be the most practical in real-world scenarios.

In her book Civil Resistance: What Everyone Needs to Know:

* https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/44096650-civil-resistanc...

* https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10056014-why-civil-resis...

Erica Chenoweth has an appendix listing six hundred movements dating from 1900 which are classified in how violent they were. She found that those that used violence (more) succeeded in achieving their goals 25% time, but those that did not use violence (at all, or much less) succeeded over 40% of the time: you almost double your odds by eschewing violence.

Further, movement that were violent and succeeded were more likely to be oppressive/authoritarian (possibly because the movement leaders internalized the possibility that the same methods would be used against them: the overthrown often don't end up in pleasant places in those situations), while non-violent ones were less likely to be (though no guarantee, with 1970s Iran being the main outlier).

So it appears that the general historical record seems to support Gandhi's philosophy.

Re:Gandhi Letter to Adolf Hitler by deadlydose on Sunday November 17, 2024 @01:22PM (#42165834)
> Nonviolent methods often require the possibility of violence as a backdrop to be effective.

You and I have a different interpretation of the parent's comment.

Re:Gandhi Letter to Adolf Hitler by wslh on Sunday November 17, 2024 @01:24PM (#42165846)
> So it appears that the general historical record seems to support Gandhi's philosophy.

The world has been shaped by power and wars, an undeniable fact that stands without the need for statistical gymnastics.

Re:Gandhi Letter to Adolf Hitler by throw0101b on Sunday November 17, 2024 @01:50PM (#42166045)
> The world has been shaped by power and wars […]

Yes it has.

It has also been shaped by non-violent methods, e.g., one of the biggest being the fall of Communism, which was done without wars and those without power in: Poland (Solidarity); the Baltic countries (Singing revolution); Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia (Baltic Way); Czechoslovakia (Velvet Revolution).

It was done in the Philippines (People Power Revolution), etc.

Re:Gandhi Letter to Adolf Hitler by wslh on Sunday November 17, 2024 @02:03PM (#42166154)
> It has also been shaped by non-violent methods, e.g., one of the biggest being the fall of Communism, which was done without wars and those without power...

That said, I believe you are tackling some highly complex topics here. Have you explored well-researched studies, such as “The Strategic Defense Initiative and the End of the Cold War” [1]?

[1] https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/36697931.pdf

Re:Gandhi Letter to Adolf Hitler by throw0101c on Sunday November 17, 2024 @02:34PM (#42166425)
Communism is just one example, and is multi-faceted (e.g., internal Soviet/Communist economies), which is why I also mentioned People Power. Chenoweth's book has a myriad of peer-reviewed references and a list of ~600 movements since 1900.

There are a lot of folks in this discussion—many of whom I suspect are Americans and may have a particular (historical) view of how to gain "freedom"—who seem to jump to the 'violent struggle' path. I'm simply pointing out references that support the possibility that is not the only path, and other ones may actually be better, especially in more recent decades (as opposed to what happened hundred-plus years ago).

Re:Gandhi Letter to Adolf Hitler by wslh on Monday November 18, 2024 @01:10PM (#42175116)
Non-violence as a guiding principle is noble and inspiring, but it doesn’t eliminate the need for robust defensive measures.
Re:Gandhi Letter to Adolf Hitler by dennis_jeeves2 on Wednesday November 20, 2024 @01:20PM (#42196705)
Do does this mean that when confronted with an armed burglar who has just killed one of of your family members, instead of gunning him down right away (assuming you can do it safely ), you approach it non-violently?