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Re:Treating bullying as everyone's problem reduces incidence... by blackeyeblitzar on Saturday November 16, 2024 @05:03PM (#42159744)
In many schools it’s not even about fighting back. The “zero tolerance” policy indiscriminately punishes both parties involved. It’s painted as some kind of virtuous, positive thing by labeling it “zero tolerance”. But it is just sheer laziness on the part of teachers, administrators, and the district. They basically wash their hands clean of investigating or understanding the situation, and of keeping classes safe for kids who aren’t breaking the rules.
Re:Treating bullying as everyone's problem reduces incidence... by rlpb on Saturday November 16, 2024 @06:31PM (#42160521)
The flaw is that the bully can pick their moment and thus avoid being observed. The victim doesn’t get to choose the moment and means by which they have to defend themselves. And the school will enforce zero tolerance only against what their staff witnessed, not the original bullying that is (from their perspective) only alleged.

The key rule about fighting back that is never taught is: don’t get caught.

Re:Treating bullying as everyone's problem reduces incidence... by ryandrake on Saturday November 16, 2024 @05:43PM (#42160074)
Yea, you don't have to fight back in order to be punished under "zero tolerance." You just have to be involved, including as the victim. Kids get punished all the time for rolling up into a ball while the aggressor beats them.
Re:Treating bullying as everyone's problem reduces incidence... by Terr_ on Saturday November 16, 2024 @05:43PM (#42160068)
"Justice is expensive and uncomfortable, let's just use collective punishment on everyone in the immediate area."
Re:Treating bullying as everyone's problem reduces incidence... by stoperaticless on Saturday November 16, 2024 @06:18PM (#42160429)
That is what happens when teachers and the school can get sued for any mistake.

Avoid all mistakes. (Even if it mean not trying)