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Re:Biological Miracle – Wood Frog by telgareith on Friday November 15, 2024 @11:28PM (#42154234)
my poor knowledge of biology says it's a deeply unsatisfying "heart beats when enough of the body has thawed for it to beat."

If the heart depends on the brain at all in frogs.

Re:Biological Miracle – Wood Frog by nine_k on Saturday November 16, 2024 @12:02AM (#42154434)
It doesn't, even in humans. There is an independent circuit of special muscle cells right on it that keeps it beating.

So starting and stopping the heart in a controlled manner is pretty interesting, because it has to be well-timed, and there are few obvious and reliable inputs to control it, especially when thawing.

Re:Biological Miracle – Wood Frog by 8n4vidtmkvmk on Saturday November 16, 2024 @02:28AM (#42155045)
Why doesn't my heart keep beating if my brain dies then? Or would it?
Re:Biological Miracle – Wood Frog by kampsun on Saturday November 16, 2024 @02:53AM (#42155136)
I understand that it would keep beating until you are provided oxygen. That’s my understanding understanding of brain death at least.
Re:Biological Miracle – Wood Frog by oharapj on Saturday November 16, 2024 @09:35AM (#42156642)
Probably because the brain controls breathing and so the oxygen runs out quickly
Re:Biological Miracle – Wood Frog by 8n4vidtmkvmk on Saturday November 16, 2024 @05:14PM (#42159842)
I was going to say that's silly, but I guess we need to be able to hold our breath sometimes.
Re:Biological Miracle – Wood Frog by telgareith on Saturday November 16, 2024 @10:56AM (#42156999)
"Even in humans"- thats a pretty steep assumption.

I am fully aware that if the human heart is severed from the brainstem it will develop A rhythm.

But what about other mammals? Dunno. Not going to assume.

Theres also the tidbit that frogs are not mammals.

Re:Biological Miracle – Wood Frog by nine_k on Saturday November 16, 2024 @02:05PM (#42158411)
The point is that whatever control a frog heart may have, it's not cerebral. It must be a very low-level circuit, which can be modulated from outside, but which remains autonomous.