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Re:OpenAI, Google and Anthropic Are Struggling to Build More... by sourcepluck on Thursday November 14, 2024 @04:37PM (#42141503)
The short version of this is that I don't disagree with your interpretation of Searle, and my paragraphs immediately following the link weren't meant to be a direct description of his point with the Chinese Room thought experiment.

> while it cannot be dis-_proven_, the Chinese Room argument was meant to provide reasons against believing it

Yes, like Russell's teapot. I also think that's what Searle means.

> the "it can't be proven until it happens" part is misunderstanding: you won't know if it happens because the objective, externally available attributes don't indicate whether self-awareness (or indeed awareness at all) is present

Yes, agreed, I believe that's what Searle is saying too. I think I was maybe being ambiguous here - I wanted to say that even if you forgave the AI maximalists for ignoring all relevant philosophical work, the notion that "appearing human-like" inevitably tends to what would actually be "consciousness" or "intelligence" is more than a big claim.

Searle goes further, and I'm not sure if I follow him all the way, personally, but it's a side point.

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