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Re:OpenAI, Google and Anthropic Are Struggling to Build More... by littlestymaar on Thursday November 14, 2024 @01:19PM (#42139314)
> Whether self awareness is a requirement for AGI definitely gets more into the Philosophy department than the Computer Science department.

Depends on how you define “self awareness” but knowing that it doesn't know something instead of hallucinating a plausible-but-wrong is already self awareness of some kind. And it's both highly valuable and beyond current tech's capability.

Re:OpenAI, Google and Anthropic Are Struggling to Build More... by sharemywin on Thursday November 14, 2024 @01:24PM (#42139395)
This is an interesting paper about hallucinations.

https://openai.com/index/introducing-simpleqa/

especially this section Using SimpleQA to measure the calibration of large language models

Re:OpenAI, Google and Anthropic Are Struggling to Build More... by jedberg on Thursday November 14, 2024 @05:00PM (#42141680)
When we test kids to see if they are gifted, one of the criteria is that they have the ability to say "I don't know".

That is definitely an ability that current LLMs lack.

Re:OpenAI, Google and Anthropic Are Struggling to Build More... by lagrange77 on Thursday November 14, 2024 @05:41PM (#42141969)
Good point!

I'm wondering wether it would count, if one would extend it with an external program, that gives it feedback during inference (by another prompt) about the correctness of it's output.

I guess it wouldn't, because these RAG tools kind of do that and i heard no one calling those self aware.

Re:OpenAI, Google and Anthropic Are Struggling to Build More... by littlestymaar on Friday November 15, 2024 @03:58AM (#42145102)
> if one would extend it with an external program, that gives it feedback

If you have an external program, then by defining it's not self-awareness ;). Also, it's not about correctness per se, but about the model's ability to assess its own knowledge (making a mistake because the model was exposed to mistakes in the training data is fine, hallucinating isn't).

Re:OpenAI, Google and Anthropic Are Struggling to Build More... by lagrange77 on Friday November 15, 2024 @02:58PM (#42150305)
Yes, but that's essentially my point. Where to draw the system boundary? The brain is also composed of multiple components and does IO with external components, that are definitely not considered part of it.