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Re:What science reveals about our tendency toward corruption by kazinator on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @10:18PM (#42122555)
If I rob Peter, but give every penny to Paul, I'm a thief from Peter's perspective.
Re:What science reveals about our tendency toward corruption by Retric on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @06:55AM (#42125272)
The question is if I rob Peter, then give him twice as much in return am I still a thief?
Re:What science reveals about our tendency toward corruption by kazinator on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @10:16AM (#42126745)
Obviously yes; the surplus had to be taken from someone else.
Re:What science reveals about our tendency toward corruption by Retric on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @10:33AM (#42126898)
Not when economies of scale provide an ever larger surplus.

Guarding one house in a lawless environment takes less total manpower than guarding a town but not on a per property basis. Enforcing law and order in a country is even more efficient.

Re:What science reveals about our tendency toward corruption by kazinator on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @11:12AM (#42127303)
Governments don't produce anything. Taxing is only redistribution, not production. You can't tax your way into wealth.

Economies of scale are a facet of capitalism.

If you rob me but then give me back twice as much, the only way this action is not unfair to someone else is if it has the effect of undoing a robbery. I e the surplus I received in the end is actually restitution. Furthermore, it was taken back from the correctly identified robbers.

That's how your Bolsheviks and Leninists justified their ideas and actions: monarchs and capitalists are just parasites who have taken from the people, so if you take it away from them, it's just restitution.

Re:What science reveals about our tendency toward corruption by Retric on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @02:01PM (#42128845)
> Economies of scale are a facet of capitalism

Animal flocking behavior exists from what amounts to economies of scale. Each animal can spend less effort watching their surroundings when there exists a large group with similar motivations.

> the only way this action is not unfair to someone else is if it has the effect of undoing a robbery

The benefit of a road network grows with the total size of a road network and can therefore quickly exceed the cost of creating and maintaining it. That’s a surplus which has nothing to do with moving money from individual A to individual B. It’s a surplus derived from scale not the efficiency of construing individual segments of road.

Re:What science reveals about our tendency toward corruption by nickff on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @01:53PM (#42128777)
According to the US Government, yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Shkreli
Re:What science reveals about our tendency toward corruption by Retric on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @02:26PM (#42129060)
> According to the US Government, yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Shkreli

According to the government he did NOT commit theft.

He was instead “convicted in federal court on two counts of securities fraud and one count of conspiracy.”

Re:What science reveals about our tendency toward corruption by kazinator on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @04:48PM (#42130403)
If nobody is robbed in a securities fraud, what makes it fraud?
Re:What science reveals about our tendency toward corruption by Retric on Thursday November 14, 2024 @04:40AM (#42134528)
Risk.

Someone could take an underperforming investment to Vegas, happen to double the investment and return. However if they are using your money then you are taking more risk in that scenario than you’re expecting. Literally going to Vegas isn’t required, the same risk exists in many short term investments. Thus misrepresenting risk is considered fraud even if it happened to work out.