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Re:AI Hype Is Cooling – New survey by adastra22 on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @06:43PM (#42121264)
Why? That seems like a sensible take tbh. You don’t want some other company having chat logs with all your internal code and strategic documents inside.
Re:AI Hype Is Cooling – New survey by HeatrayEnjoyer on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @06:46PM (#42121305)
>all your internal code and strategic documents

are already stored on someone else's computer already, at 99% of organizations. Every cloud offering comes with business data privacy guarantees.

Re:AI Hype Is Cooling – New survey by generic92034 on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @03:40AM (#42124054)
And is that also true for the various AI tool offerings? If they train their AI on your data, how could they guarantee that the AI is not reproducing parts of it for requests of a different customer?
Re:AI Hype Is Cooling – New survey by HeatrayEnjoyer on Friday November 15, 2024 @11:21AM (#42148310)
All of the business data agreements stipulate data is not used for training. Even consumer ChatGPT provides an opt-out for training.

Most training data is synthetic now.

Re:AI Hype Is Cooling – New survey by bongodongobob on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @06:46PM (#42121301)
Well we already use all sorts of third parties that have all of our data. Do you think Microsoft should be trusted more than OpenAI? Honest question.
Re:AI Hype Is Cooling – New survey by adastra22 on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @08:22PM (#42121948)
OpenAI by default includes transcripts in its training data. You have to explicitly opt out (and trust that the op out actually does anything).

I wouldn’t trust that everyone correctly opts out. If they don’t, the X months from now “tell me about Foo company’s strategic plans” could regurgitate their internal docs.

Re:AI Hype Is Cooling – New survey by bongodongobob on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @10:48PM (#42122720)
Even if we don't opt out, it's not plaintext data right? Further, I feel like it's likely to be the tokenized version right?

And as far as strategic plans, I don't think it regurgitates novel, one source information does it? Isn't the regurgitation more like boilerplate, seen many times type stuff?

Has anyone actually been able to prompt a password out of an LLM? That kind of thing should be ignored because it's high entropy and rare afaik. For example, my name is bongodongobob and my password=hunter17. Do you really think someone will be able to pull this fact out of an LLM at some point? That doesn't seem to be the way they work as I understand it.

Re:AI Hype Is Cooling – New survey by adastra22 on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @11:04PM (#42122799)
Yes, it’s the full transcript including whatever data you upload. It’s pretty trivial to prompt an LLM to regurgitate its training data, especially the largest models. Even if it is rare, single dicument instance. You might get some word substitutions, but certainly the gist of the original will come through. Not high entropy passwords, but full documents? Yes.
Re:AI Hype Is Cooling – New survey by bongodongobob on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @11:17PM (#42122865)
Give me a prompt that regurgitates a valid windows server license and I'll believe this.
Re:AI Hype Is Cooling – New survey by adastra22 on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @11:58PM (#42123046)
I explicitly said that high entropy things like passwords and license keys are not likely to work due to how information is compressed in the training process. But if you meant the windows server license agreement text:

https://chatgpt.com/share/673431d5-b278-8004-ad16-10529788f5...

Re:AI Hype Is Cooling – New survey by bongodongobob on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @12:44AM (#42123258)
Ok well that isn't an example of something rare. It's a public document by a very large and public company that intended that document to be visible.