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Re:Security Is a Useless Controls Problem by commandar on Monday November 11, 2024 @06:15PM (#42111293)
>that NIST has killed in competent circles

Just because this is my favorite soapbox - anyone that has to deal with passwords should go read NIST SP800-63B:

https://pages.nist.gov/800-63-3/sp800-63b.html

I was kind of shocked by just how gosh-darned reasonable it is when it came out a couple of years ago. It's my absolute favorite thing to cite during audits.

"Are you requiring password resets every 90 days?"

"No. We follow the federal government's NIST SP800-63B guidelines which explicitly states that passwords should not be arbitrarily reset."

I've been pleasantly surprised that I haven't really had an auditor push back so far. I'm sure I eventually will, but it's been incredibly effective ammunition so far.

Re:Security Is a Useless Controls Problem by hathawsh on Monday November 11, 2024 @07:45PM (#42111814)
I've done the same thing, with the same results. These guidelines are impressive. 1Password created an excellent summary:

https://blog.1password.com/nist-password-guidelines-update/

Re:Security Is a Useless Controls Problem by Jedd on Monday November 11, 2024 @09:23PM (#42112249)
Alas, in Australia one of the more popular frameworks in gov agencies is Essential Eight, and they are a few years away from publishing an update with this radical idea.
Re:Security Is a Useless Controls Problem by NoPicklez on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @12:08AM (#42123082)
My understanding is that Essential Eight doesn't require password rotation
Re:Security Is a Useless Controls Problem by Jedd on Wednesday November 13, 2024 @01:54AM (#42123549)
If so then I'll be doubly frustrated - I've been assured by our domain experts that this is a requirement of the model.

Did it used to be and was since retracted? I suppose it may be a local or state-based 'implementation augmentation'.

I've trawled just now through the signals directorate site and can find plenty of references to passwords, but nothing specifically covering this.

Re:Security Is a Useless Controls Problem by NoPicklez on Thursday November 14, 2024 @06:19PM (#42142339)
It may have been as password rotation was a requirement thrown around, but to my knowledge it's not come up in assessments for a long time.