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Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by perihelions on Friday November 08, 2024 @11:32PM (#42092553)
Could it be an initially-unnoticed chemical leak in the Crew Dragon? That could explain how it hospitalized four astronauts at once, and also why they're uncharacteristically afraid of media coverage. They were evasive in a similar way when Starliner was first having issues—they're scared of the politics, or of the lawyers.

edit to add: These spacecraft all use very toxic fuels, and this one has had issues with fuel leaks before [0]. I'm not sure how or if those could affect the crew. Maybe if there was contamination on an exterior surface, they could have been exposed on landing? IIRC it is or used to be standard procedure to take air samples before opening crewed spacecraft, for this reason.

edited again to add: I found it! It Apollo-Soyuz in 1975—the crew were poisoned by fuel when they exited the craft on splashdown, and were hospitalized for weeks with chemical pneumonia [1].

[0] https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/nasa-delays-cargo-dr... ("NASA and SpaceX stand down on Dragon launch to study hydrazine issue")

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo–Soyuz#Re-entry_and_afte...

- "The only serious problem was during reentry and splashdown of the Apollo craft, during which the crew were accidentally exposed to toxic monomethylhydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide fumes, caused by unignited reaction control system (RCS) hypergolic propellants venting from the spacecraft and reentering a cabin air intake. The RCS was inadvertently left on during descent, and the toxic fumes were sucked into the spacecraft as it drew in outside air. Brand briefly lost consciousness, while Stafford retrieved emergency oxygen masks, put one on Brand, and gave one to Slayton. The three astronauts were hospitalized for two weeks in Honolulu, Hawaii.[22] Brand took responsibility for the mishap; because of high noise levels in the cabin during reentry, he believed he was unable to hear Stafford call off one item of the reentry checklist, the closure of two switches which would have automatically shut off the RCS and begun drogue parachute deployment. These procedures were manually performed later than usual, allowing the ingestion of the propellant fumes through the ventilation system.[23]"

Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by jp_nc on Friday November 08, 2024 @11:45PM (#42092589)
Why is NASA playing games? They are using our tax dollars - part of the deal with that is transparency. Health privacy is fine for private citizens…once you decide to be a living experiment on taxpayer dime, that expectation changes.

At this point, with Musk being very close to an incoming administration, it would not surprise me if they refuse to stick their neck out if it was something capsule related. Not saying that’s the case here, but it’s certainly a concern moving forward.

Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by adastra22 on Friday November 08, 2024 @11:53PM (#42092616)
They’re still figuring out what happened. When they know, we’ll know. NASA does not have authority to unilaterally release medical information of its astronauts, so there’s nothing to say until the problem is identified.
Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by perihelions on Saturday November 09, 2024 @12:01AM (#42092643)
- "NASA does not have authority to unilaterally release medical information of its astronauts"

Just to clarify—and I'm not denying her right to choose to do that—the person quoted in the article as citing "medical privacy" is one of the astronauts who was hospitalized.

Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by tiahura on Saturday November 09, 2024 @12:40AM (#42092728)
You’re honestly telling me, an astronaut who’s been on nasa tv talking about bodily functions in space with school kids for 6 months, suddenly clams up and doesn’t want anyone to know they got hurt when the SpaceX seatbelt failed?
Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by sandworm101 on Saturday November 09, 2024 @12:59AM (#42092769)
Yes, especially when the possible injury may mean the end of thier career as a flying astronaut, which could be an issue here.
Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by tiahura on Saturday November 09, 2024 @12:37AM (#42092716)
Where does he say they don’t know what happened? He said they’re piecing things together, i.e. they’re still working on their story.
Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by adastra22 on Saturday November 09, 2024 @01:52AM (#42092923)
That's not what those words mean.
Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by sim7c00 on Saturday November 09, 2024 @12:58AM (#42092767)
you're right. no use making statements that only raise more quesitons
Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by dotBen on Saturday November 09, 2024 @12:42AM (#42092731)
Sorry, but there's nothing about the NASA space program which has a "deal" to be transparent with the tax payer.

From being involved with high altitude spy planes and stealth planes during the Cold war through to thinking about the many satellites that are put into space that relates to national security and even the clandestine space plane, we have no idea what it's for...

There is simply no precedent to be upset about a lack of transparency from NASA. Some of that is national security. Some of that is to protect IP. Some of it is just because of the way governments work.

Factor in that actually it may relate to a private company's operational issue (SpaceX) there's even less reason for transparency.

I don't think we will ever know

Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by leoh on Saturday November 09, 2024 @12:49AM (#42092744)
Yes there is. It is called a social contract.
Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by inopinatus on Saturday November 09, 2024 @01:02AM (#42092778)
Maybe it’s simply none of your damn business.
Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by usea on Saturday November 09, 2024 @01:13AM (#42092821)
"Social contract" is a term people use to try and bully people into things they never agreed to. Non-imaginary contracts require acceptance.

The essential elements of a social contract:

- I want it to be true real bad

- Other people are forced to comply with it

- I dictate the terms unilaterally

Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by leoh on Saturday November 09, 2024 @07:31PM (#42097797)
What do you mean? It is literally the opposite. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract
Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by usea on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @12:25PM (#42185947)
That's not how people use it, such as the person I replied to. There was no consent, explicit or otherwise. They use it to mean "I want things to be this way, so people should be obligated to a rule I made up because 'society'".
Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by leoh on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @02:46PM (#42187347)
Ironic because you just made up your own definition yourself
Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by WalterBright on Saturday November 09, 2024 @01:01AM (#42092773)
If toxic fumes were the problem, they could just put on their helmets. Their helmets should be at hand just for such a problem.
Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by slau on Saturday November 09, 2024 @02:45AM (#42093103)
I believe the issue GP brings up is that merely inhaling a few breaths of this stuff is enough to cause damage. The crew may not have known beforehand that there was a leak or an issue.
Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by WalterBright on Saturday November 09, 2024 @04:44AM (#42093497)
> a few breaths

I've sometimes gotten a whiff of a toxic fume, and my instant reaction is to hold my breath and leave the area. Not inhale a few breaths.

I'm sure the astronauts are fit enough they could hold their breath long enough to get the helmet on. After all, I expect they probably have a lot of training in getting the helmet on fast. There are many emergencies that would require this, such as rapid decompression, fire, smoke, etc.

I don't know if the astronauts do this or not, but if I was reentering, I'd put the helmet on anyway. It's only for a few minutes.

Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by AstralStorm on Saturday November 09, 2024 @05:42AM (#42093685)
If it's excess methane, you won't sense it. This is why municipal gas has a smell agent added. The same cannot be done for space fuel. If it's hydrazine, it is about as smelly as gasoline but ammonia, I think, but the toxic dose is below the smell threshold.

So no, you do not get to generalize here.

Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by WalterBright on Saturday November 09, 2024 @04:35PM (#42097030)
Then install a methane gas detector which a siren. So yeah, I do get to generalize.
Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by mmooss on Saturday November 09, 2024 @02:33AM (#42093059)
Is there any evidence of that? Maybe it landed hard, maybe their launch hurt them and they couldn't get proper medical attention until they landed, maybe they were somehow unprepared for the longer stay in orbit. Maybe one of them barfed on the way down ...

Science tells us there is no value in making up possiblities, but that we must start from observation.

Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by NoahKAndrews on Saturday November 09, 2024 @12:33PM (#42095618)
Only one astronaut had a medical issue, the others were taken to the hospital just in case: https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/10/astronaut-hospitalized...
Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by perihelions on Saturday November 09, 2024 @01:24PM (#42095970)
I respectfully disagree. If you are taken to a hospital for medical evaluation, speakers would normally call that a medical issue, in plain English. None of this was routine or normal precaution—a point the article you linked emphasizes:

- "Normally, once medical personnel complete their preliminary assessment, crews are flown to shore on a helicopter, then board a NASA airplane for the flight back to Houston. Instead, the Crew-8 astronauts were taken to the hospital Friday morning."

Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by meowster on Saturday November 09, 2024 @04:32PM (#42097011)
The denotation is correct, but the connotation is wrong. Most people go by connotations, so I disagree with your statement that "speakers would normally call..."
Re:NASA Remains Silent on Why Crew Went to Hospital After Dr... by NoahKAndrews on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @11:51PM (#42123021)
I'm saying that one person had a genuine medical issue, and the others appear to have not.