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Re:Mitochondria Are Alive by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 08, 2024 @02:39PM (#42089838)
> long as they can perform the necessary chemical reactions

That mitochondria are conserved as an independent organelle across almost [1] all eukaryotes, across billions of years of history, suggests this is something the nuclear can’t easily in house.

[1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6343361/

Re:Mitochondria Are Alive by outworlder on Friday November 08, 2024 @02:43PM (#42089868)
Maybe!

That could also suggest that any other strategies were just out competed by this one and lost the opportunity to develop further.

Re:Mitochondria Are Alive by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 08, 2024 @02:55PM (#42089963)
> other strategies were just out competed by this one and lost the opportunity to develop further

Absolutely. It also means--however--that any niche where alternative did exist, when exposed to mitochondrial life, they lost.

Now that I think about it, it would be pretty funny if we're this universe's cheela [1], a freakishly overclocked biosphere that runs faster not because it had to but because it happened to.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon%27s_Egg

Re:Mitochondria Are Alive by ajuc on Friday November 08, 2024 @03:53PM (#42090385)
Evolution is path-dependent. Notice that mammals were comprehensively outcompeted by dinosaurs till asteroid removed them and gave mammals time and niches to develop in. If you recreated dinosaurs right now they would lose to mammals (for example to homo sapiens).

It's perfectly possible that mitochondria are the dinosaurs of "cell powerplants" that just haven't encountered the asteroid to let other (ultimately better) solutions develop.

Re:Mitochondria Are Alive by xeeeeeeeeeeenu on Friday November 08, 2024 @03:04PM (#42090038)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monocercomonoides

>It is the first eukaryotic genus to be found to completely lack mitochondria, and all hallmark proteins responsible for mitochondrial function. The genus also lacks any other mitochondria related organelles (MROs) such as hydrogenosomes or mitosomes. Data suggests that the absence of mitochondria is not an ancestral feature, but rather due to secondary loss.

Re:Mitochondria Are Alive by jamiek88 on Friday November 08, 2024 @03:02PM (#42090016)
There are organisms without mitochondria too though. So it’s viable.
Re:Mitochondria Are Alive by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 08, 2024 @03:08PM (#42090057)
> are organisms without mitochondria too though. So it’s viable.

True, it's an anaerobic ersatz cnidarian [1] that may be an escaped cancer [2].

[1] https://daily.jstor.org/who-needs-mitochondria-anyway/

[2] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6343361/

Re:Mitochondria Are Alive by Rumudiez on Friday November 08, 2024 @03:15PM (#42090103)
> [discovered in] gut bacteria from a researcher’s pet chinchilla

wow. we could be surrounded by so many extraordinary organisms and not even know it because there's so much variety just in our own backyards

Re:Mitochondria Are Alive by satvikpendem on Friday November 08, 2024 @05:14PM (#42090891)
There was a study where participants were asked to swab their belly buttons and lots of new organisms were found.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/12/1-458-bac...

Re:Mitochondria Are Alive by im3w1l on Friday November 08, 2024 @04:46PM (#42090716)
Absolutely fascinating. Especially the exotic multicellularity part. Maybe if it evolves even more multicellularity it will struggle with cancers of its own and have to reevolve tumor suppression, wouldn't that be something?!