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Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by ComplexSystems on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @08:15PM (#42072183)
That's from 2023, and it sure as hell isn't how people voted this time: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1535295/presidential-ele...
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by insane_dreamer on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @11:56PM (#42073539)
Fair point. It is more nuanced this time. For income < $30K, more people voted D than R, though for $30K-50K more voted R. And $30-$50K could be "poor" depending on where you live and whether you have kids, so a little hard to tell.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by mapt on Thursday November 07, 2024 @09:24AM (#42076873)
These particular nominal distinctions are losing meaning as everything but technology continues to inflate. An income of $30k is not survivable where I live (it's less than rent + transportation to work) without subsidy from family who joined the property owning class in the 1970's - essentially homeless but for charity.

It's not that you're "poor" if you make less than $30k, it doesn't depend on whether you're supporting family, it's that it's not possible to legally exist as a single person household working full-time at $15/hr; You are either receiving charity or you're securing your person through some sort of criminal act (squatting, living in your car, living in a park, sleeping in the breakroom at work, living in an illegal basement apartment or having five roommates in an illegal sublet), or you're delving into the 60-80 hour workweek.

Provisions which trigger at the federal poverty line for a single person not receiving private charity, require that you have been involved in criminalized living arrangements for a long time, and also that you have some sort of fixed address by which to reach you.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by claytongulick on Thursday November 07, 2024 @10:32AM (#42077507)
> it's not possible to legally exist as a single person household

Why is that the goal? When I was in my late teens / early 20s back in the 90s making low 30s, I did what everyone else my age did: got a roommate.

It's not great most of the time.

It was, however, very motivating for me to improve myself so that I could afford to get my own place.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by xp84 on Thursday November 07, 2024 @07:33PM (#42082807)
I think we're somewhere in the middle between the way you had it in the 90s, and absolute disaster. (Also, if you were making low 30s in 90s dollars that's a lot better than like 40k in 2024 dollars.)

Several issues that real people today are suffering with is that it's hard to remain a 2-income family and have young kids. Someone's got to take care of them, and daycare costs more than the median worker is likely to make in the limited time your kids can realistically be in daycare. So now you're down to 1 income, expensive rent, or 2 incomes, expensive rent and expensive childcare. Or 2 incomes and live with someone's parents who may also watch the kids, which while some cultures are fine with that, others resent that being their only option (especially if you can't stand those parents!) -- and for elder millennials and older, we generally were able to have better options if we planned our careers wisely. I cannot imagine any advice I would have given to two 18-year-olds from poor families in 2020 that would have set them up to be on track to have kids and live independently anytime. Especially if they were determined to go to college, which everyone is told they must do.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by mapt on Saturday November 09, 2024 @11:10AM (#42095140)
$32,000 in 1994 is worth $68,000 in 2024 according to official CPI figures. You did alright - this is basically median HOUSEHOLD income at the time, far higher than median "Young single male" income.

But CPI figures aren't what we have to deal with.

Average rent in 1994 was roughly $500 ($6000/year). Today it's $1400 ($16800/year).

You were paying (if a median unit) 15-20% of your income in rent and felt that this was too much and you needed a roommate.

Today there are lots of people making $32000 a year at full-time jobs (that's $16/hr, pretax), or LESS than that, and being told that they need to pay more than 50%. Or that because they make so little (we credit check tenants now!), they simply are not allowed to rent legally.