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Re:Learning Not to Trust the All-In Podcast in Ten Minutes by coolspot on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:42PM (#42069909)
Voter ID laws do, in fact, just make sense.
Re:Learning Not to Trust the All-In Podcast in Ten Minutes by briantakita on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:58PM (#42070883)
Voter ID laws don't make sense if you benefit from voter fraud. I have a hard time steel manning the anti-Voter ID stance. Especially considering that an ID is needed for most aspects of modern living. Don't believe me? Just ask someone who does not have an ID living in the Las Vegas tunnels. Life is extremely difficult without an ID. These people are stuck in a Catch-22 where they could get housing with an ID but need an address to get an ID.

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Edit: I tried to be civil, but people here are clearly ideological & want to commit voter fraud to empower themselves at the expense of everyone else. It's obvious. Go ahead & downvote. You cannot escape the fact that we know the truth behind your empty rhetoric. You might as well give it up because it only makes you look bad.

Let's be honest here. For all of the highfalutin rhetoric of curiousity on this site, there are many ideologues who wish to narrow the discourse. To ignore reality. Y'all are doing great! Keep it up! Go ahead & bash the "All In Podcast", Trump, Republicans, the American People, or whoever inconveniences your plans at this moment. Please keep on doing what you are doing. You do you! America voted resoundingly against you. They don't like your agendas. Neither does most of the world's population. Now go buzz off into the dustbin of history.

Re:Learning Not to Trust the All-In Podcast in Ten Minutes by 78653644 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @08:07PM (#42072128)
"I tried to be civil, but people didn't like what I had to say. Rather than asking why they disagree, I'm going to assume they're evil criminals."
Re:Learning Not to Trust the All-In Podcast in Ten Minutes by seadan83 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @09:57PM (#42072899)
Drivers license or a hunting license are acceptable but student ID is not acceptable to vote does not make sense.

Further, it is a superficially reasonable solution to a non-problem.

Fwiw: "time and time again, voter photo ID laws are proven to be ineffective tools to fight voter fraud — in the rare instances it does take place. While voter photo ID laws aim to prevent in-person voter impersonation, an almost non-existent form of voter fraud, other types of voter impersonation are similarly rare and not cause for significant concern. According to the Brennan Center, the rate of in-person voter impersonation is extremely low: only 0.00004% of all ballots cast. It’s worth noting that this rate is even significantly lower than other rare forms of voter fraud, such as absentee ballot fraud, which voter photo ID laws do not address."

"Voter fraud is so extremely rare. Out of 250,000,000 votes cast by mail between 2000 and 2020, there were 193 criminal convictions. By those numbers, a person is more likely to be struck by lightning than they are to commit voter fraud. Further, there are already measures in place to detect irregularities and investigate potential cases of voter fraud, making the need for further legislation even smaller."

https://www.lwv.org/blog/whats-so-bad-about-voter-id-laws

Re:Learning Not to Trust the All-In Podcast in Ten Minutes by skissane on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @10:13PM (#42072975)
> Drivers license or a hunting license are acceptable but student ID is not acceptable to vote does not make sense.

Drivers licenses are issued by a single state-wide government agency in each state and there are national standards for their security.

Student IDs are issued by thousands of educational institutions, both public and private, and they don't have the same security standards.

It is much easier for election officials to distinguish genuine from fake drivers licenses than genuine from fake student IDs, so it actually makes a lot of sense to accept the former as voting ID but not the latter.

I know less about hunting licenses, but if they are issued by a statewide agency, they would be closer to drivers licenses than student IDs, so accepting them but not student IDs makes sense too.

Re:Learning Not to Trust the All-In Podcast in Ten Minutes by seadan83 on Thursday November 07, 2024 @10:55PM (#42083991)
If a persons goal is to disenfranchise young & poor voters, but enfranchise those that hunt and or have more money (which closely associates to being white), then hunting license & drivers license makes perfect sense while rejecting student licenses.

To your point of how official they are to obtain: "Hunting licenses can generally be purchased at any retail outlet that deals in hunting and fishing equipment, such as sporting goods stores." [1]

University ID cards are generally hard to get, and significant if forged. Let's not gloss over the other side of this coin where this type of fraud that is prevented by voter id is vanishingly small. To be blunt, it really is just a modern poll tax, a way to disenfranchise specific demographics.

[1] https://www.fws.gov/initiative/hunting/purchase-hunting-lice...

Re:Learning Not to Trust the All-In Podcast in Ten Minutes by Spooky23 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @10:59PM (#42073246)
It’s a solution that “just makes sense” only if you are ignorant of both the problems it claims to solve and the problems it creates.

It’s kinda like the DNSSEC of politics.

Re:Learning Not to Trust the All-In Podcast in Ten Minutes by DesiLurker on Friday November 08, 2024 @06:37PM (#42091324)
problem is now that the election is over no one will take about voter id anymore. for a large population base the time to do it in good faith is now when you have most chance of uptake. but the way id laws get brought up is basically near the finish line so the only conclusion that can be drawn is they are there to discourage voting by 'undesirable' groups.