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Re:The Decline of the Working Musician by Animats on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:25PM (#42069675)
There was a brief period in history when Being In A Band was a big deal. That's bracketed by, perhaps, the British Invasion and Myspace Music. Before that, musicians were low-paid background music systems. After that, anybody could do it at garage-band level. In between was the brief era of the Rock Star. The nostalgia here is for that era.

Not a new observation.

Re:The Decline of the Working Musician by xanderlewis on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:38PM (#42070637)
Yeah. There seems to also be the implicit assumption that (recorded) pop music, whilst only a relatively recent phenomenon, is here to stay. It isn't. It had a golden age after recording and reproduction technology became cheap enough to own and before streaming services came along, gave us too much choice and siloed our tastes. I don't think I'd change much — I mainly listen to 'weird' stuff that probably wouldn't have existed, let alone be discoverable, without such services — but the pop era does seem to be over. No one cares about 'the charts' anymore. In my parents' day it was a primary cultural reference point that seemingly everyone followed; now almost no one I know would be able to tell me what's in the top ten at the moment.
Re:The Decline of the Working Musician by ysofunny on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:52PM (#42071991)
it seems to me the problem you're pointing to, and scoping to music

it's actually much more persvasibe and happening to pretty much all culture

I refer to the siloing of our tastes; or rather to how we can now develop rarer tastes by means of massively increased connectivity

so it's not just pop music, but all of what it means to be "mainstream culture" that's weirdly getting siloed and more rarified

Re:The Decline of the Working Musician by xanderlewis on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @08:35PM (#42072312)
True. It’s not just in music. There is almost no such thing as mainstream culture anymore — it’s exciting for individuals, but also quite worrying, especially when it comes to politics and description of factual events. No wonder democracy seems to be steadily going down the pan.
Re:The Decline of the Working Musician by awkward on Thursday November 07, 2024 @11:29AM (#42078114)
Tastes may be siloed but they're also a lot more concentrated. Recorded pop music is bigger than ever. In an environment where recommendation services drive a lot of discovery, music is more winner take all than ever.
Re:The Decline of the Working Musician by tessierashpool on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @08:00PM (#42072069)
Josephine Baker was a star. Bach and Mozart were stars. Pythagoras was more famous for music than math, during his lifetime (well over two thousand years ago). The decline of a particular business model is a legit observation but it doesn’t change this fundamental aspect of music.
Re:The Decline of the Working Musician by TheOtherHobbes on Thursday November 07, 2024 @10:43AM (#42077618)
Pop evolved from music hall and vaudeville, and all of those featured musicians who were very much not "low-paid background music systems."
Re:The Decline of the Working Musician by otwall on Thursday November 07, 2024 @12:11PM (#42078569)
They very much were; there is a reason why the vaudevillians were all poor immigrants and why much of the modern entertainment industry was established by entrepreneurs/conmen running away to California to escape Thomas Edison.
Re:The Decline of the Working Musician by schwartzworld on Friday November 08, 2024 @01:42PM (#42089372)
> there is a reason why the vaudevillians were all poor immigrants

Same reason so many pro athletes now are poor immigrants.