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Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by anovikov on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:44AM (#42060525)
But well, immigration has to only increase. Many of the problems of the West are due to insufficient immigration. And at the present time, we don't even care much about quality. We need just "bodies": whoever is willing to come, ideally those who are likely to have lots of children (although their birthrate falls dramatically once in). Because a generation down the road, those people will run out and countries will be competing hard to get ANYONE in.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by jvmboi81 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:18AM (#42061032)
This idea, that people are just fungible, and that there is some magic "in the earth" that will somehow preserve the target society is exactly what's so repugnant. We need people, agreed. But why is it out of the question and not even worth trying to see if we can fix the underlying cause ie low birth rates?

The reason is that there is an ulterior motive: left intellectuals think they can abolish racism by making the world ethnically and culturally uniform. That's why the arguments and reality never matter: the elites have a higher cause and we just have to suck it up.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by no_wizard on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:48AM (#42061442)
Huh? Who said anything about ethnically and culturally uniform?

In the US I’ve never heard this narrative from major candidates or seen it in their policy proposals from the democrats

Rhetoric is always about respecting the melting pot and letting cultural and ethnic differences co-exist under the great American experiment as it always has since its founding

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by Jensson on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @08:27AM (#42061945)
> Rhetoric is always about respecting the melting pot

That is the uniform culture. You see it in tv shows everywhere, people looking the same in every show etc. (the 1 black, 1 white woman 1 white man 1 Hispanic 1 Asian group you see everywhere in American stuff)

There used to be shows like Friends and Fresh Prince which means diversity, now everything is just the gruel of the melting pot.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by no_wizard on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @08:32AM (#42061998)
The general melting pot of cultures goes back over a century in this country. It’s been a cornerstone of US idealism for a long time.

It does rest that cultures will become homogeneous over time as they melt together but I take what is being asserted to be different from that, as in it’s promoting an artificial uniformity of culture rather a naturally blended one

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by Jensson on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @08:35AM (#42062051)
> as in it’s promoting an artificial uniformity of culture rather a naturally blended one

Yeah, it feels like instead of enabling a diverse set of cultures to coexist they try to enforce a culture that has a diverse set of things in it.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by no_wizard on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @09:20AM (#42062655)
Which the rhetoric coming from Democrats doesn't match the assertion here. It was never about forcing diversity that I can find from any fielded candidate.

Feelings being what they are, you can't really 'disprove' them per se, but this may be more of a reaction to media representations of diversity vs actual ideals

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by carlosjobim on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:35AM (#42061282)
The dividing edge is if you believe a nation is a people or if a nation is a country. But if you believe a nation is a country - ie its geographical borders, then why does it even matter if people live there or not?

Since we're already treating people like cattle ("we need bodies") to be moved around at will here, then we might as well make a comparison with a cattle farmer. If his cattle are not reproducing and thus are dying out, what sensible person would suggest that the solution is to get cattle from other farmers? When is it time to ask why his cattle is dying? Is it because they deserve it? Is it because the farmer needs the milk more than the calves?

I personally want my people to survive and not join the scrolls of history on the long list of exterminated tribes. If we have to survive outside of our current geographical country in a different place, then that is preferable to extermination.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by anovikov on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @08:58AM (#42062361)
It is because they CAN. They never wanted to reproduce in the first place. And the reason isn't even the democracy or "rotten Western values" - they die off even faster in authoritarian, patriarchal Eastern countries, free and unfree alike. It's simply economic growth.

Give me any way of "making people reproduce again" which isn't overtly dystopian-totalitarian and i will accept that promoting "as much immigration as possible, not letting in only known criminals" was a bad idea.

Sure government can just start having babies for itself. That will be real cattle herding.