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Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by creato on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:10AM (#42060083)
> Most Americans want legal immigration, but the Democrats took too long to do something and then Trump was able to kill the bill last minute. It looked like the Democrats wanted to simply ignore it until they no longer could.

You forgot the part where they claimed their hands were tied, then finally did something about it 8 months before the election.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by matwood on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:13AM (#42060113)
Yes, completely dropped the ball on an issue they could have addressed head on.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by llamaimperative on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:45AM (#42060551)
Biden introduced a bill for border security on the first day of his administration, GOP nuked it. Wasn’t ignored.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by 15155 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:19AM (#42061038)
Automatically allowing a specific quantity of millions of illegal immigrants as a "compromise" isn't "border security."
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by tzs on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @08:59AM (#42062363)
The Senate passed a bipartisan bill earlier this year that had almost everything Republicans have asked for. The House wouldn't even consider it.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by 15155 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @09:24AM (#42062728)
Did you read it?
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by llamaimperative on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @10:24AM (#42063720)
https://youtu.be/oZw7xijmeGM?t=89

Lindsay Graham did!

"Everybody who comes on this floor and says our border is broken. We should do something about it. You're absolutely right. And unfortunately, we didn't get there. President Trump opposed the Senate bill."

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by apinstein on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:22AM (#42060240)
It’s fascinating how no one mentions that Trump didn’t pass comprehensive immigration legislation during his first term despite it being core to his platform.

This issue is a mess and has been kicked down the road for literal decades at this point. Maybe finally it will get passed…

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by llamaimperative on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:48AM (#42060591)
He seems quite literally incapable of a “comprehensive” solution to anything. Every solution was the simple one that had the predictable unintended consequences.

E.g. on immigration he prevented courts from deferring certain deportation cases, which meant high-risk immigrants stayed in the country for longer.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by mschuster91 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:57AM (#42060707)
> He seems quite literally incapable of a “comprehensive” solution to anything. Every solution was the simple one that had the predictable unintended consequences.

That is because the result doesn't matter, not in "starve the beast" [1] cycle politics - it used to be mostly about money but the model can be used also for general politics. The playbook is:

1. side A rise to power claiming "issue X must be solved by doing Y" (all while knowing that doing Y is useless or counterproductive, but the voter base doesn't care - be it immigration or the defunding of healthcare or whatever)

2. The consequences hit delayed, when the term is at its end and the competitor B takes over (usually in US political cycles every 8 years, but these days it seems like the ping-pong is accelerating)

3. That leaves an opportunity for side A to constantly barge in from the side "look at issue X, vote for us next time and we'll fix it (for realsies this time!)"

4. Side A wins the next election.

When it comes to anything budget related, replace the campaigning slogan with "look at issue X, it is clear that the government is incapable of doing anything about that issue, let us privatise it".

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by llamaimperative on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:05AM (#42060826)
This is all true but I actually don’t think Trump knows his solutions won’t solve these problems. I think he’s actually a simple-minded man who’s saying the simple solutions he thinks will work because he hasn’t ever thought about the problem.

I mean he came into power and proudly declared he had never heard of NATO before running (!!) but was brought up to speed in ~2min (!!). That’s who he is.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by mschuster91 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @12:32PM (#42065869)
Someone like Trump should have access to actual experts able to estimate the impact of his political ideas.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by llamaimperative on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @01:11PM (#42066581)
The whole problem with "someone like Trump" is that if said expert tells him he's wrong, then said expert is gone in short order.

This is why autocracies and oligarchies are bad. Not because they're just de facto evil, but because they produce undesirable outcomes, often even undesirable by their own standards (see: Russia's ongoing 3 day special military operation in Ukraine)

Every single person around him is playing a loyalty test. Thank god Fauci was expert enough to navigate that dynamic so delicately, but most others don't have the talent or appetite for it.