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Re:Fisker EVs Hired an IT Spy Who Funneled Millions to N. Ko... by bill_joy_fanboy on Tuesday November 05, 2024 @04:11PM (#42055200)
> You don't have the right to remote work.

What I have a "right" to is ultimately a matter of personal judgment. Isn't it?

Re:Fisker EVs Hired an IT Spy Who Funneled Millions to N. Ko... by airstrike on Tuesday November 05, 2024 @04:20PM (#42055264)
I'm all for WFH but a right implies someone else has an obligation
Re:Fisker EVs Hired an IT Spy Who Funneled Millions to N. Ko... by 8200_unit on Tuesday November 05, 2024 @04:50PM (#42055494)
I disagree. How does someone else have an obligation to my freedom of speech?
Re:Fisker EVs Hired an IT Spy Who Funneled Millions to N. Ko... by ricardobeat on Tuesday November 05, 2024 @05:24PM (#42055714)
There is nothing to disagree here, it’s the philosophical definition of a right. It only exists if there is an obligation on the other side, in this case, to allow you to speak freely and without interference (applies both to individuals and the state).
Re:Fisker EVs Hired an IT Spy Who Funneled Millions to N. Ko... by bulatb on Tuesday November 05, 2024 @05:02PM (#42055574)
Only for positive rights, and not always for those either.
Re:Fisker EVs Hired an IT Spy Who Funneled Millions to N. Ko... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday November 05, 2024 @05:07PM (#42055607)
No. You have an obligation not to violate my negative rights, too, e.g. we prohibit murder but don’t guarantee a right to life at any cost.
Re:Fisker EVs Hired an IT Spy Who Funneled Millions to N. Ko... by bulatb on Tuesday November 05, 2024 @06:26PM (#42056103)
My battery ran out before I could delete. I had another sentence there at first about "unless you call respecting rights an obligation," but I took it out because I didn't want to make a mess. To me an obligation in this context means the thing which is created by a positive right. (IME when someone uses "obligation" for negative rights, it's often for a bad-faith argument relying on the vagueness of "rights" to score a rhetorical point.) The analogous but different thing that some would say arises from a negative right, to me, is properly described another way.

My right to life[0] can still exist without you being obligated not to murder me. It means that I am always justified in self-defense, so if you try to kill me, I'm allowed to kill you back. Except not always. But basically always. Except for the exceptions we can frame a million different ways. In practice, neither of our rights to life are absolute...and so on, down the rabbit hole.

[0] But wait: My natural right? My legal right? In terms of enforcement? Or in some vague sense that I "have" a right and those are words I get to say, and, uh, if you don't like it then I'll say them again? In practice, no one cares. People just say "rights" to mean "I'm right."

Talking about rights is fraught and frustrating and mostly pointless, and my comment wasn't worth writing, but there's nothing I can do about it now.

Re:Fisker EVs Hired an IT Spy Who Funneled Millions to N. Ko... by itishappy on Tuesday November 05, 2024 @04:20PM (#42055269)
Judgement? Sure. Personal? I sure hope not. I can declare myself the rightful recipient of all cash, but so what? Rights need some buy-in from society.
Re:Fisker EVs Hired an IT Spy Who Funneled Millions to N. Ko... by krunck on Tuesday November 05, 2024 @04:41PM (#42055423)
What kind of "right" are we talking about here? Constitutional? Natural?
Re:Fisker EVs Hired an IT Spy Who Funneled Millions to N. Ko... by Brian_K_White on Tuesday November 05, 2024 @04:55PM (#42055531)
Not remotely. Wow. You have a right to seek whatever you want, but seek only.