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Re:Chain-of-Thought Can Hurt Performance on Tasks Where Thin... by PedroBatista on Thursday October 31, 2024 @06:03AM (#42005175)
It’s in the name: Language Model, nothing else.
Re:Chain-of-Thought Can Hurt Performance on Tasks Where Thin... by eclecticfrank on Thursday October 31, 2024 @08:22AM (#42006137)
I think the previous commenter chose "word" instead of "language" to highlight that a grammatically correct, naturally flowing chain of words is not the same as a language.

Thus, Large Word Model (LWM) would be more precise, following his argument.

Re:Chain-of-Thought Can Hurt Performance on Tasks Where Thin... by HarHarVeryFunny on Thursday October 31, 2024 @11:30AM (#42007894)
I'm not sure the best way to describe what it is that LLMs have had to learn to do what they do - minimize next word errors. "World model" seems misleading since they don't have any experience with the real world, and even in their own "world of words" they are just trained as passive observers, so it's not even a world-of-words model where they have learnt how this world responds to their own output/actions.

Technically the most accurate, but not very insightful, description is that they have learnt to model the (collective average) generative processes behind their training data, but of course only to extent needed to do well on their "predict next word" loss function.

The tricky point is that LLMs have clearly had to learn something at least similar to semantics to do a good job of minimizing prediction errors, although this is limited both by what they architecturally are able to learn, and what they need to learn for this task (literally no reward for learning more beyond what's needed for predict next word).

Perhaps it's most accurate to say that rather than learning semantics they've learned deep predictive contexts (patterns). Maybe if they were active agents, continuously learning from their own actions then there wouldn't be much daylight between "predictive contexts" and "semantics", although I think semantics implies a certain level of successful generalization (& exception recognition) to utilize experience in novel contexts. Looking at the failure modes of LLMs, such as on the farmer crossing river in boat puzzles, it seems clear they are more on the (exact training data) predictive context end of the spectrum, rather than really having grokked the semantics.

Re:Chain-of-Thought Can Hurt Performance on Tasks Where Thin... by haccount on Thursday October 31, 2024 @10:33AM (#42007318)
I suggested "word model" because it's a catchy pun on "world model".

It's still a language and not merely words. But language is correct even when it wildly disagrees with everyday existence as we humans know it. I can say that "a one gallon milk jug easily contains 2000 liters of milk" and it's language in use as language.