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Re:When are two proofs essentially the same? (2007) by drpossum on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @07:04AM (#41993610)
You've misunderstood the difference of "sameness" those two works are trying to address. Knuth is not using an equivalent idea of "sameness" as discussed above. Two people each going by Philosophy of Computer Science and the Art of Computer Programming exercise notion would not always agree if two programs are "the same".

It's also a bridge too far to make a blanket statement of Knuth "already answered this" (it's also not accurate to attribute that idea to Knuth; e.g. Church did work exactly on this decades before). Meaningful discourse and mathematical analysis requires nuance and degrees of equivalence and mixing them up makes it needlessly confusing and difficult.

Sameness as "same input same output" is NOT the same as the "isomorphic equivalence" which is more difficult, strict, and abstract. In this sense they are the same if they follow the same "steps" (also isomorphic between programs), i.e. they are different representations of the same algorithm.

Re:When are two proofs essentially the same? (2007) by tightbookkeeper on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @10:11AM (#41995038)
> same input same output

He doesn’t say this.

> NOT the same as the "isomorphic equivalence" which is more difficult, strict, and abstract.

This is what the exercise is about. So I would recommend reading before making assumptions.

Of course there are more than one definition of equivalence and isomorphism, but the one explored there is just as interesting as the comment I’m replying to.

drpossum you stop with these gotcha posts? This is our 3rd encounter.

Re:When are two proofs essentially the same? (2007) by drpossum on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @11:01AM (#41995708)
I hadn't noticed, but it's a free board.
Re:When are two proofs essentially the same? (2007) by tightbookkeeper on Wednesday October 30, 2024 @11:06AM (#41995780)
I only noticed because I was perplexed by the comment.

If I’m hitting this issue at random, others are hitting it too.