Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

Re:Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, ... by aguaviva on Friday October 25, 2024 @02:34PM (#41948192)

I'm aware of just one "official" Hamas formulation of the slogan, via the 2017 charter as quoted below. Can you point to any others? We do have that quote from Khaled Meshaal as well, but one doesn't hear it so often.

  Hamas’ 2017 charter states that in principle, it “rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea.” In a 2012 speech, Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal said, “Palestine is ours from the river to the sea and from the south to the north. There will be no concession on any inch of the land.”

https://forward.com/fast-forward/568788/from-the-river-to-th...

Regarding the nicer-sounding variants that "nobody wants / aren't workable": That may be, but it is significant that the variant that most folks in their camp at least pretend to believe in (as an "aspiration") is at least nominally non-genocidal. And that the genuinely genocidal variants -- just aren't on display that often.

(Might get back to the other stuff you wrote later)

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Re:Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, ... by invalidname on Friday October 25, 2024 @02:48PM (#41948364)

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea

من المية للمية / فلسطين عربية, "from the water to the water / Palestine is Arab"

Notice that this is nitpicking since the intention is clear to Israelis/Palestinians even in the moderate version of the slogan.

This hurts Palestinians because it discourages their leaders from compromises that might have ended this conflict (see the 2000 and 2008 statehood rejections). It also strengthens the sense within Israelis that there's no partner for peace on the other side.

It's like using the N-word. Once you said that you have that label and feeling, nothing you say will matter to any side.

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