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Re:Everything I built with Claude Artifacts this week by zahlman on Thursday October 24, 2024 @02:11AM (#41932437)
>But you're right - I'm smuggling in a certain idea of what intelligence is.

Yes, you understand me. I simply come in with a different idea.

>AI based systems, from MNIST solvers to deep blue to chatgpt have clearly gotten better at something. Whatever that something is, is very very interesting.

Certainly the fact that the outputs look the way they do, is interesting. It strongly suggests that our models of how neurons work are not only accurate, but creating simulations according to those models has surprisingly useful applications (until something goes wrong. Of course, humans also have an error rate, but human errors still seem fundamentally different in kind.)

Re:Everything I built with Claude Artifacts this week by josephg on Thursday October 24, 2024 @09:24AM (#41935245)
Modern neural networks have very little to do with their biological cousins. It makes a cute story, but it’s over claimed. Transformers and convolution kernels think in very different ways than the human mind.
Re:Everything I built with Claude Artifacts this week by zahlman on Thursday October 24, 2024 @10:33AM (#41935896)
That gives me less reason to accept that it qualifies as "thinking".
Re:Everything I built with Claude Artifacts this week by josephg on Thursday October 24, 2024 @04:33PM (#41939455)
Again, I don’t know of anyone, here or elsewhere who claims chatgpt thinks, in the way we understand it in humans. I think our intuitions largely agree.
Re:Everything I built with Claude Artifacts this week by zahlman on Friday October 25, 2024 @06:57PM (#41950717)
... Then why did I get so much pushback in this comment chain?