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Re:Everything I built with Claude Artifacts this week by Eisenstein on Thursday October 24, 2024 @12:48AM (#41932012)
So, if a machine demonstrated sapience, agency, and will, then you would grant that it could think?
Re:Everything I built with Claude Artifacts this week by zahlman on Thursday October 24, 2024 @02:12AM (#41932446)
Yes; but if you showed me a machine that you believed to be doing those things, given my current model, I wouldn't agree with you that it was.
Re:Everything I built with Claude Artifacts this week by Eisenstein on Thursday October 24, 2024 @04:47AM (#41933497)
You are saying that even if it did the same thing that animals do that you attribute to thinking, you would refuse to acknowledge it could be thinking?

Is there something particularly unique about biological circuits that allow thought, as opposed to electronic ones?

Re:Everything I built with Claude Artifacts this week by zahlman on Thursday October 24, 2024 @08:56AM (#41935034)
I believe so, yes. No, I can't explain what it is. (Because I think they're obvious follow-up questions: No, I don't consider myself particularly religious. Yes, I do believe in free will.)
Re:Everything I built with Claude Artifacts this week by josephg on Thursday October 24, 2024 @09:26AM (#41935260)
… But you believe there’s something special about intelligence grounded in biology that can’t be true of intelligence grounded in silicon? That just sounds like magical thinking to me.
Re:Everything I built with Claude Artifacts this week by IshKebab on Thursday October 24, 2024 @10:28AM (#41935855)
I agree. Thinking is clearly a compositional process and computers are Turing complete so it seems like and impossibility to me. Unless you reach for some quantum microtubule woo...