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Re:Using Cloudflare on your website could be blocking RSS users by neilv on Thursday October 17, 2024 @08:50AM (#41869190)
Similar here. It's not unusual to be blocked from a site by CloudFlare when I'm running Firefox (either ESR or current release) on Linux.

I suspect that people operating Web sites have no idea how many legitimate users are blocked by CloudFlare.

And. based on the responses I got when I contacted two of the companies whose sites were chronically blocked by CloudFlare for months, it seemed like it wasn't worth any employee's time to try to diagnose.

Also, I'm frequently blocked by CloudFlare when running Tor Browser. Blocking by Tor exit node IP address (if that's what's happening) is much more understandable than blocking Firefox from a residential IP address, but still makes CloudFlare not a friend of people who want or need to use Tor.

Re:Using Cloudflare on your website could be blocking RSS users by lovethevoid on Thursday October 17, 2024 @12:15PM (#41871039)
What are some examples? I've been running ff on linux for quite some time now and am rarely blocked. I just run it with ublock origin.
Re:Using Cloudflare on your website could be blocking RSS users by capitainenemo on Thursday October 17, 2024 @01:59PM (#41871996)
Odds are they have Resist Fingerprinting turned on. When I use it in a Firefox profile I encounter this all over the place. Drupal, FedEx.. some sites handle it better than others. Some it's a hard block with a single terse error. Some it is a challenge which gets blocked due to using remote javascript. Some it's a local challenge you can get past. But it has definitely been getting worse. Fingerprinting is being normalised, and the excuse of "bot protection" (bots can make unique fingerprints too, though) means that it can now be used maliciously (or by ad networks like google, same diff) as a standard feature.
Re:Using Cloudflare on your website could be blocking RSS users by lovethevoid on Thursday October 17, 2024 @07:13PM (#41874764)
I also use Mullvad Browser (a browser based on Firefox), and it supports resisting fingerprinting without any of those blocks. Tried it on Drupal and Fedex. Loads Cloudflare sites normally.

I'm guessing if it's really Resist Fingerprinting on Firefox (something Mullvad also has on by default), then there are other settings that aren't being enabled causing the issue. Mullvad actually lists the settings related to resisting fingerprinting here - https://mullvad.net/en/browser/hard-facts

Re:Using Cloudflare on your website could be blocking RSS users by capitainenemo on Thursday October 17, 2024 @08:20PM (#41875177)
Or it could simply be that since it is on by default for Mullvad, that Cloudflare and others have an explicit exception built in for it. It might also be dependent on where traffic is coming from. I have had different behaviour with different ISPs. Perhaps your entire VPN network gets a pass due to, perhaps depending on how they manage abuse, or how much unique information they can get just based on the few bits of info the browser leaks combined with the uniqueness of the browser and VPN connection IPs.
Re:Using Cloudflare on your website could be blocking RSS users by jorams on Thursday October 17, 2024 @10:32AM (#41870049)
> I suspect that people operating Web sites have no idea how many legitimate users are blocked by CloudFlare.

I sometimes wonder if all Cloudflare employees are on some kind of whitelist that makes them not realize the ridiculous false positive rate of their bot detection.

Re:Using Cloudflare on your website could be blocking RSS users by pjc50 on Thursday October 17, 2024 @08:57AM (#41869245)
> CloudFlare not a friend of people who want or need to use Tor

The adversarial aspect of all this is a problem: P(malicious|Tor) is much higher than P(malicious|!Tor)

Re:Using Cloudflare on your website could be blocking RSS users by amatecha on Thursday October 17, 2024 @12:00PM (#41870881)
Yeah, I've contacted numerous owners of personal/small sites and they are usually surprised, and never have any idea why I was blocked (not sure if it's an aspect of CF not revealing the reason, or the owner not knowing how to find that information). One or two allowlisted my IP but that doesn't strike me as a solution.

I've contacted companies about this and they usually just tell me to use a different browser or computer, which is like "duh, really?" , but also doesn't solve the problem for me or anyone else.

Re:Using Cloudflare on your website could be blocking RSS users by johnklos on Thursday October 17, 2024 @02:30PM (#41872316)
I've had several discussions that were literally along the lines of, "we don't see what you're talking about in our logs". Yes, you don't - traffic is blocked before it gets to your servers!