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Re:Living outside America by sneak on Sunday July 01, 2012 @07:58PM (#4186565)
> Living and traveling outside the US (Europe, Middle East, Asia) for ~15 years convinced me of the inherent superiority of the US (culturally, economically, etc.).

To be fair, most of the places you lived in that 15 years sucked really hard, even just objectively. The good non-US places are way better than the states in almost every measurable aspect.

Re:Living outside America by rdl on Sunday July 01, 2012 @08:03PM (#4186582)
Living in UK, NL (well, for 2mo), Anguilla, Dubai, Thailand, 3mo in Japan, and visiting a bunch of other "good" countries is my basis for this. Iraq, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Horn of Africa, etc. are known to be write-offs. (and actually Afghanistan minus 100% of the people there would be a pretty awesome place, if inaccessible.) Hong Kong is the one place I've spent >2mo where I'd like to spend 5+ years, but it's too small to be the only place I'd live (it's a great city, but doesn't compare to a larger country).

Raising money in Germany or the UK is a huge pain. Purchasing things is a pain. Hiring and firing. Finding people who actually understand startups.

Re:Living outside America by ralfn on Sunday July 01, 2012 @09:00PM (#4186723)
As a dutch citizen the idea that you would rank the states above and beyond our nation is offensive and idiotic.

What on earth would make you qualify the situation like that?

Re:Living outside America by rdl on Sunday July 01, 2012 @10:31PM (#4186984)
The Netherlands, while a nice place to live, is a small country and not a world power (it was maybe during the time of the VOC, but not before or since). It's also a very difficult place to start a successful high-growth technology business, for a variety of reasons -- a culture of consensus and the "dutch disease" (natural resources curse) being primary.
Re:Living outside America by ralfn on Sunday July 01, 2012 @10:43PM (#4187034)
Whats the natural resources curse?

-- all right, ive read it I think the final paragraph gets it right: gov pending was at an all time high in that decade. And it sounds like, most of the supposed risks no longer apply, because of the Euro.

But you are correct in that Holland isnt the best place for a startup.

Re:Living outside America by rdl on Sunday July 01, 2012 @10:59PM (#4187086)
One specific example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_disease

Basically, once you discover natural resources (in the case of NL, natural gas), it crowds out all other activity. You can earn a great return from exploiting the resource, so the best people, best capital, etc. goes into that.

With floating exchange rates, you get currency inflation, but you can have the same problems even with fixed exchange rates or common currency.

A bigger problem is the general "resource curse". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse

I remember talking to people who said "at least we (Afghans) don't have oil, then we'd really be screwed."

Re:Living outside America by ralfn on Monday July 02, 2012 @06:59PM (#4191503)
But thats not the biggest reason Holland is a bad place for a startup. Its our mentality.

Americans are in favour of a person being extraordinary, the dutch are not. We cherish "acting normal". One of the most used expressions is "act normal, and you'll already be weird enough"

Generally speaking, this is not a bad thing. The amount of attention whores and drama queens is much lower than the states. But for truly remarkable people, this does not make their perfect habitat. Theyll need thick skins.