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Re:Life expectancy rise in rich countries slows down: took 3... by ponector on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @06:17PM (#41853683)
Are they insane, though? How many hours average man should work to pay for average monthly dose of the average quality insulin? May be even more affordable than in other countries.
Re:Life expectancy rise in rich countries slows down: took 3... by Riseed on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @07:26PM (#41854148)
I don’t think the average man should have to work any hours to pay for an average monthly dose of average quality anything that they require to stay alive. Perhaps I’m insane.
Re:Life expectancy rise in rich countries slows down: took 3... by sokoloff on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @08:16PM (#41854412)
Who then will work to provide these average monthly doses of things they require?
Re:Life expectancy rise in rich countries slows down: took 3... by Riseed on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @10:44PM (#41855105)
I don't believe being able to work is an ethical prerequisite to survival. I don't believe being willing to work is an ethical prerequisite to survival.

The government can work to provide the medication that its citizens require to stay alive. Under such a system, those who are able and willing to work can, via taxes or other contributions, provide medications that some citizens require to stay alive. Many such systems seem to cost less overall than the system currently existing in the United States, so the average man who will work will have to work fewer hours to pay for an average dose of average quality anything required to stay alive.

Alternatively or in tandem, the pharmaceutical companies can sell such medications at cost, with rebates and coupons for no/low-income patients, while still making plenty of profit on reasonably priced pharmaceuticals that patients do not technically require to survive.

https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(19)...

https://www.house.mn.gov/Caucus/View/DFL/31433

Re:Life expectancy rise in rich countries slows down: took 3... by sokoloff on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @06:11AM (#41857393)
People also require food and water (and arguably shelter and clothing). Should those also be provided by society in average doses and at average quality?

That does not seem likely to result in a stable and productive society, particularly when many working people would have below average housing in order that government beneficiaries could have average housing provided to them.

Re:Life expectancy rise in rich countries slows down: took 3... by Riseed on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @01:03PM (#41861328)
As I said, I don't believe being able to work is an ethical prerequisite to survival. I don't believe being willing to work is an ethical prerequisite to survival.

Yes, I believe people should have food and water sufficient for survival regardless of their ability to work.

Re:Life expectancy rise in rich countries slows down: took 3... by sokoloff on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @05:54PM (#41864228)
In the system, as proposed, it seems like some will choose to work and pay taxes in order that someone who is able but unwilling to work can have better housing and food than they do.

That doesn’t seem like it will have broadly popular support.

Re:Life expectancy rise in rich countries slows down: took 3... by Riseed on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @06:45PM (#41864621)
> it seems like some will choose to work and pay taxes in order that someone who is able but unwilling to work can have better housing and food than they do

This is certainly possible because it already happens now with the current setup.

Re:Life expectancy rise in rich countries slows down: took 3... by watwut on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @02:40AM (#41856219)
Insulin is cheap elsewhere.

> U.S. manufacturer gross prices per 100 international units of insulin were on average 9.71 times those in OECD comparison countries combined.

It is 10 times more expensive in USA.

Re:Life expectancy rise in rich countries slows down: took 3... by ponector on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @05:00AM (#41857025)
According to ceicdata, annual household income per capita in USA is 10.6 times more than in Mexico. Even with prices 10 times higher it is slightly more affordable in USA.
Re:Life expectancy rise in rich countries slows down: took 3... by watwut on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @02:21PM (#41862070)
Yeah, but my claim was not for Mexico. It was for OECD.
Re:Life expectancy rise in rich countries slows down: took 3... by ponector on Friday October 18, 2024 @07:28AM (#41878371)
Isn't Mexico a part of OECD?