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Re:Scale Ruins Everything by bluGill on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @09:04AM (#41848146)
The problem is cost. For most people owning and driving their own car is much cheaper than hiring someone else to drive them. Many people would like someone else to take care of the car and driving, but drivers need a reasonable income - if a driver works for your 2 hours per day that implies of your 8 hour day at work 2 hours are spent working to pay for that driver (of course drivers typically make less than a "white collar professional" but still a significant portion of your income goes to your driver). Which is why taxis always hung out at airports - often they would wait in line for an hour to pick someone else, with smaller amounts hanging around around hotels and bars - the few places where people who owned a car had reason not to use it.

Self driving is the only way uber or a taxi can be a large business. The cost of labor is just too high and so most people are forced to learn to drive.

Even with the above I question if self driving is really worth it. If you own a car and have it parked nearby it is ready to go when you want to leave, and better yet you can store your stuff in it. Combine that with rush hour - most people are traveling at about the same time every day, and some people wanting nicer cars than others and it is hard to see how it can work out. (unless you live in density such that parking is hard - but then transit must be your answer not individual cars since self driving cannot solve traffic)

Re:Scale Ruins Everything by DrScientist on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @09:42AM (#41848516)
The other problem with the business model is with self-driving cars, unless you have exclusive self-drive technology, the barrier to entry to other carpooling options is quite low.

In fact you could easily see car manufacturers offering such services - something like Zipcar but more convenient as the cars can self redistribute.

I find it hard to believe Uber will ever break even ( not on the day to day costs - recouping all that upfront investment ).

Having said that, the likes of Uber have changed the world - so the money wasn't entirely wasted.

Re:Scale Ruins Everything by bluGill on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @11:13AM (#41849474)
I don't think car manufactures will offer that service - it gets too deep into weird monopoly laws and the like that they want to avoid. Plus it is a distraction from their business. They will instead sell to others who offer that service.

Generally shared cars only make sense when someone drives very little anyway. Cars are expensive and so shared cars are either too expensive to be used often, or very hard to get at. Renting a car for a weekend is about half the cost of a monthly payment on the same car, but if you buy the car you have it the rest of the month (and if you buy a car you have used options or keeping the car after it is paid for to bring the total cost down - you will have to pay maintenance costs but those tend to be much less).

Re:Scale Ruins Everything by DrScientist on Monday October 21, 2024 @06:11AM (#41902521)
> Plus it is a distraction from their business. They will instead sell to others who offer that service.

Possibly. However you could also see the Uber type market as reducing the need for people to buy cars - threatening their core business, as well as reducing the number of their potential customers and again shifting the power away from them.

Re:Scale Ruins Everything by bluGill on Sunday October 27, 2024 @09:57AM (#41962666)
I doubt it. Except a few on the fringe most get rid of the car anyway a personal car isn't much more expensive. sure if you drive new cars it might work out but the average car is 12 years old and nobody who's image depends on their car is going to acept that quality which means the cars you hire will be expensive to attract them.