LLMs can't perform "genuine logical reasoning," Apple researchers suggest

Re:LLMs can't perform "genuine logical reasoning," Apple res... by serf on Monday October 14, 2024 @10:21PM (#41844308)

it's a weird differentiation , part of how they do that is by reading back what they said - someone trained in doing so could essentially abuse this characteristic themselves to do the math in a simplified step by step way if they had perfect recall of what they said or wrote..

in other words, for the LLMs that do that kind of thing well, like gpt-o1, don't they essentially also use 'a pen and paper'?

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Re:LLMs can't perform "genuine logical reasoning," Apple res... by boroboro4 on Monday October 14, 2024 @10:36PM (#41844386)

And this is very good comparison, because o1 indeed does multiply these numbers correctly...

Ask LLMs without chain of thought built-in is the same as to ask people to multiply these numbers without pen and paper. And LLMs with chain of thought actually are capable of doing this math.

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