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Re:Turkish language has a gossip tense by mda on Sunday October 13, 2024 @04:51AM (#41826285)
It coveys "the" temporal information in the sentence and it is always past. E.g. A children's story only contains this nothing else.
Re:Turkish language has a gossip tense by marcellus23 on Sunday October 13, 2024 @05:08PM (#41831606)
Imperative also conveys "the" temporal information in the clause and it is always past.
Re:Turkish language has a gossip tense by mda on Monday October 14, 2024 @12:14PM (#41838942)
I said "the" because you said "it conveys 'some' temporal information".
Re:Turkish language has a gossip tense by marcellus23 on Monday October 14, 2024 @05:37PM (#41842297)
"some" and "the" are not mutually exclusive. If I say there's some cake in the kitchen, that doesn't mean it's not the only cake in the kitchen.
Re:Turkish language has a gossip tense by mda on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @03:33AM (#41845870)
Ok i see that you are being deliberately obtuse. Because by saying some, you meant time aspect was not primary. Which is wrong.

Anyway, I have put a bit more information about this tense up in the discussion.

Re:Turkish language has a gossip tense by marcellus23 on Tuesday October 15, 2024 @11:12AM (#41849460)
> Because by saying some, you meant time aspect was not primary.

No I didn't and I was not being deliberately obtuse. That's not what "some" means here. Pretend I used no word instead of "some" — it would have had the same meaning. I get the impression from your grammar that you are not a native English speaker. That's fine, but then you may not have a complete grasp on something like this.

Re:Turkish language has a gossip tense by mda on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @04:00AM (#41856683)
If you remove "some" and change it to mean that it is the "only" thing that conveys temporal information how does your initial argument hold? It is a tense, and all grammar books I have and see agrees that it is a tense. I am not a native speaker but I understand enough, but I get the impression that you are not a native Turkish speaker, That's fine, but then you may not have a complete grasp on something like this
Re:Turkish language has a gossip tense by marcellus23 on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @01:46PM (#41861732)
> If you remove "some" and change it to mean that it is the "only" thing that conveys temporal information

That wouldn't be changing the meaning. I'm not continuing this conversation because 1) I don't want to argue about the subtleties of English grammar with someone who is not a native speaker, and 2) I don't want to argue about linguistics with someone who doesn't know linguistics (as proven by your pointing to "grammar books" for evidence that it's a tense).

Re:Turkish language has a gossip tense by mda on Wednesday October 16, 2024 @02:04PM (#41861891)
(HN doesn't want me to continue with this nonsense deeper, so adding here). Just to note, it is not only grammar books, there are several papers about it as well, you could see it if you actually bothered understanding the nuances of it. So I am wondering are you an expert in linguistics and Turkic languages? Do you have a real source that supports your thesis? My guess is you are not, so indeed there is no need for further discussion.