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Re:To Elon Musk and the Model S: Congratulations by Nevaeh on Saturday June 30, 2012 @12:05PM (#4181960)
In addition, Elon said that he had already committed in his will to give away most of his fortune to charity. http://i.imgur.com/Mnk7U.jpg

Elon also experienced near-death back in 2000 during a visit to South Africa. He almost died from cerebral malaria. (According to an interview) He tweeted about it here: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/152394000857448448

Re:To Elon Musk and the Model S: Congratulations by mrkmcknz on Saturday June 30, 2012 @01:29PM (#4182215)
The great thing about Elon becoming part of the giving pledge is that his wealth could spiral into the kind of numbers we are yet to see individuals accumulate. This guy is taking on gigantic problems and is quickly establishing at the forefront of future tech.

I've always been in awe of Elon and quite simply that doesn't seem like changing any day soon.

Re:To Elon Musk and the Model S: Congratulations by mahyarm on Saturday June 30, 2012 @02:37PM (#4182426)
Elon is awesome, but the founders of NASA contracting companies, intel, car companies, etc didn't reach bill gates levels of wealth.
Re:To Elon Musk and the Model S: Congratulations by Retric on Sunday July 01, 2012 @10:39AM (#4184827)
Gates's fortune is vast, but there where plenty of people that made far more when you adjust for inflation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wealthiest_historical_f...

John D. Rockefeller: US$392 billion to US$663.4 billion in adjusted dollars for the late 2000s, and it is estimated that his personal fortune was equal to 1.53% of the total U.S. annual GDP in his day. PS: He was worth a billion dollars in

Cornelius Vanderbilt: US$178.4 billion adjusted for the late 2000s; Henry Ford: $188.1 billion; Andrew Carnegie US$75 billion to US$297.8 billion; , Astor has a real wealth estimated at some US$116 billion when adjusted for the late 2000s; John D. Rockefeller

Re:To Elon Musk and the Model S: Congratulations by kunle on Saturday June 30, 2012 @02:47PM (#4182452)
>Elon is awesome, but the founders of NASA contracting companies, intel, car companies, etc didn't reach bill gates levels of wealth

This might be true. But Elon stands to be the first private citizen with a chance to reach the moon or Mars. The chance is (admittedly) slim, but the expected value of being commercially successful at reaching the moon or Mars is exponentially greater than Microsoft.

Re:To Elon Musk and the Model S: Congratulations by jmj42 on Saturday June 30, 2012 @03:40PM (#4182608)
I don't think the change is that slim. Elon is the type of person who knows his limits and pushes them. His goals tend to be grand, but, with effort, achievable.

I'd be more surprised if he didn't reach the moon or Mars

Re:To Elon Musk and the Model S: Congratulations by chc on Saturday June 30, 2012 @07:27PM (#4183145)
What is the expected value of a private party reaching Mars? What are they going to get from it?
Re:To Elon Musk and the Model S: Congratulations by stcredzero on Saturday June 30, 2012 @07:43PM (#4183181)
The first individuals to reach North America didn't become ultra-rich. But North America did eventually produce unprecedented new wealth.

Zubrin has argued that the colonization of Mars is analogous to North America, and will produce unprecendented wealth.

http://www.nss.org/settlement/mars/zubrin-promise.html

Re:To Elon Musk and the Model S: Congratulations by mohawk on Sunday July 01, 2012 @08:54AM (#4184581)
Hate to be a pedant, but the first people who reached North America were massacred by the ones who followed.
Re:To Elon Musk and the Model S: Congratulations by stcredzero on Sunday July 01, 2012 @11:34AM (#4185027)
> Hate to be a pedant, but the first people who reached North America were massacred by the ones who followed.

No, good point. That one doesn't count as pedantry on your part, but as a d'oh on my part!

Re:To Elon Musk and the Model S: Congratulations by kunle on Saturday June 30, 2012 @10:08PM (#4183541)
Hard to say. I'm completely speculating but I'm imagining that between the natural resources present there and the possibility of colonizing the planet, there's economic potential. That being said, very difficult to calculate.
Re:To Elon Musk and the Model S: Congratulations by CamperBob2 on Saturday June 30, 2012 @08:50PM (#4183341)
Depends on whose logos are on the rocket.
Re:To Elon Musk and the Model S: Congratulations by mapleoin on Saturday June 30, 2012 @02:47PM (#4182450)
In addition, Elon said that he had already committed in his will to give away most of his fortune to charity.

Is donating your fortune to charity in your will really altruistic? You're just giving away something you would no longer need, something which you wouldn't be able to use in any way after you're dead.

On the other hand, by writing that will now, you get to feel damn good about yourself and also have a lot of people praise you.

I think the people volunteering their life and their youth for an NGO and going to work with people in need NOW are the ones who deserve praise, not billionaires who are pledging to helping the poor without risking anything. I wish I could be one of the former, yet our society always encourages and rewards the latter.

NB. I'm not arguing against Ellon Musk, I'm arguing against the way you phrased that sentence, and what people are sometimes mislead into viewing as a great deeds. See also Orwell's Burmese days.

Re:To Elon Musk and the Model S: Congratulations by Nevaeh on Saturday June 30, 2012 @04:51PM (#4182780)
First off, I agree with you that the volunteers deserve credit. But this is not a contest of who can get the most praise. Volunteers and researchers need funding in order to operate effectively, and Elon's billions could be extremely helpful if he really does donate most of his fortune to charity upon his death.

That sentence was from Elon Musk himself, not mine. So really, you're arguing against Elon Musk. Did you even read the picture I posted? http://i.imgur.com/Mnk7U.jpg

He goes further on twitter to set the basic premise that it's better to try to address some of the world's problems than to create an aristocracy of wealth.

He has donated to charitable organizations like MSF, UNICEF, Peace & Justice, Doctors without Borders, and personally bought presents for kids at the orphanage on Xmas. His established Musk Foundation helps to promote science education, pediatric health and clean energy.

All of his companies has the ultimate goal of having a positive effect on the world, whether it's space exploration, solar energy generation, or electric cars. Elon personally said that he worked 80-100 hours a week for 15 years, and at one point invested nearly all of his assets in order to keep Tesla & SpaceX alive back in 2008. Source: http://archive.mensjournal.com/elon-musk%E2%80%99s-risky-bus...

Your claim of Elon being one of those billionaires pledging to help the poor without risking anything is flat out wrong. He risked everything and gave it his all, to the point of waking up in tears during the 2008 economic crash, when he thought all 3 companies would die and his marriage was ruined. He almost had a nervous breakdown. Source: 34:42 mark http://www.bloomberg.com/video/73460184-elon-musk-profiled-b...

Re:To Elon Musk and the Model S: Congratulations by Tloewald on Saturday June 30, 2012 @02:52PM (#4182462)
Given that people feel oneness with their offspring and relatives, yes it is altruistic.
Re:To Elon Musk and the Model S: Congratulations by MarkMc on Sunday July 01, 2012 @02:27AM (#4184016)
I don't think it's as clear cut as you suggest. For example, Warren Buffett has earned a return on capital averaging around 20% over his life. This means he had the choice of giving away, say, $1 million in 1970 or $1.5 billion in 2010. I think the second option is the better choice, even if it is technically not as 'altruistic'.
Re:To Elon Musk and the Model S: Congratulations by Nate75Sanders on Saturday June 30, 2012 @02:53PM (#4182466)
Relatively speaking, it is. He could instead use it to have lots of progeny and make sure they'll be in a great financial position to pass on his genes.
Re:To Elon Musk and the Model S: Congratulations by JanezStupar on Saturday June 30, 2012 @04:21PM (#4182709)
I think hes still doing pretty well on both counts.
Re:To Elon Musk and the Model S: Congratulations by javajosh on Saturday June 30, 2012 @08:52PM (#4183349)
There are really three options:

1. Give away your money after you make it.

2. Give away your money as you make it.

3. Stop making money once you've earned enough of it.

Elon has chosen #1, and that is a viable option. It's viable because fortune begets fortune, and if he'd chosen #2 (or certainly #3) he might not have been able to create as much wealth.

That fact that he's not choosing to set his children up for life (apart from, I'd imagine, enough to get them through grad school comfortably) is to his credit and to their ultimate benefit.

Re:To Elon Musk and the Model S: Congratulations by tomcdonnell on Sunday July 01, 2012 @02:02AM (#4183982)
Another option for wealthy individuals is to continue investing their wealth into their companies, with the expectation that the indirect economic effect of doing business as usual will have a greater positive effect on the poor and needy than an equivalent direct cash gift would.
Re:To Elon Musk and the Model S: Congratulations by heed on Saturday June 30, 2012 @04:24PM (#4182721)
Altruism is definite, absolute. There are degrees of selfishness though. I think donating your fortune upon death is less selfish (or more selfless) than not.