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Re:The Ph.D Grind: A Ph.D Student Memoir by da02 on Saturday June 30, 2012 @01:45AM (#4180826)
"He was an ardent pragmatist who cared more about achieving compelling results than demonstrating theoretical 'interestingness'..."

Are those people actually rare in academia?

Re:The Ph.D Grind: A Ph.D Student Memoir by arethuza on Saturday June 30, 2012 @05:49AM (#4181231)
I worked in academic research for 6 years (in AI/systems engineering) and I never encountered anyone who was succesful and interested in pragmatic issues.
Re:The Ph.D Grind: A Ph.D Student Memoir by arethuza on Saturday June 30, 2012 @08:59AM (#4181495)
On reflection, this is perhaps a bit harsh to some of the very bright people I used to work with.

What I meant was that in the context of a highly competitive research environment those who were succesful had learned that to succeed they couldn't afford to focus on anything that wouldn't progress their own careers - and that meant (and presumably still means) publications in the rights places which are usually completely uninterested in practical details and focused more on pure mathematical/conceptual concepts.

Re:The Ph.D Grind: A Ph.D Student Memoir by seanmcdirmid on Saturday June 30, 2012 @02:29AM (#4180918)
Not at all, especially in systems.
Re:The Ph.D Grind: A Ph.D Student Memoir by azarias on Saturday June 30, 2012 @10:45AM (#4181726)
But it helps to be pragmatic and interesting, even in systems. mobisys and mobicom is full of stuff that is more interesting than pragmatic.
Re:The Ph.D Grind: A Ph.D Student Memoir by seanmcdirmid on Saturday June 30, 2012 @07:26PM (#4183138)
I guess my reply might have been ambiguous. Systems professors are generally especially pragmatic, mainly because of the maturity of the field and their culture (reflected in the high standards for top tier OSDI/SOSP papers). Mobisys and Mobicom are becoming more of a venue for the sensing community, which is relatively new and still dealing with technology that is a few years from being ready, so it makes sense that they are more on the interesting side. For systems work to be interesting, they go off and show how it can pragmatically improve your life (e.g., by finding lots of bugs in Linux).

I'm not a systems researcher but I work in a systems research group (at MSRA) as a PL researcher, which is a very different community; we tend to be more designy.

Re:The Ph.D Grind: A Ph.D Student Memoir by babycakes on Saturday June 30, 2012 @05:10PM (#4182834)
In my experience, yes.

It's not that they don't look for things with practical results. It's just that there's no incentive to continue beyond the point where you demonstrate the contribution.