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Re:Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo by cbolton on Friday October 11, 2024 @06:09AM (#41808059)
Does it matter? It was probably obvious to the scientists working on the bomb that other countries would get it too sooner or later, including countries at odds with each other.
Re:Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo by 082349872349872 on Friday October 11, 2024 @06:25AM (#41808148)
I don't know.

Could Hirohito (Suzuki, etc.) have been convinced by bombs dropped elsewhere?

(our physicists were able to back-of-the-envelope; should their physicists have needed hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths to calculate what an A-bomb could do?)

So I think it's not obvious (multiple books have been written on the subject) what could or should have been done or not done back then; now, from my point of view, those cards have been dealt, for good or for ill.

Re:Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo by tgv on Friday October 11, 2024 @01:00PM (#41811193)
Hirohito was apparently convinced after the bomb on Hiroshima, the cabinet and military staff still wanted to fight on after the bomb on Nagasaki. They even tried to block his radio speech.

Personally, I think it was tragic, but there was not much choice. Forcing Japan to its knees by conventional means would have been a prolonged bloodbath (with the Soviets getting in the game as well), with probably a higher death toll.

Re:Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo by smsm42 on Friday October 11, 2024 @04:31PM (#41813433)
> Could Hirohito (Suzuki, etc.) have been convinced by bombs dropped elsewhere?

Not likely, Tokyo was firebombed to ashes and it didn't move him to surrender.

Re:Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo by thimabi on Friday October 11, 2024 @06:26AM (#41808153)
But was it really obvious? From what I can tell, much of the nuclear arms race happened thanks to espionage. Had information on warheads and the like been properly contained, maybe other countries would not have so easily developed the bomb.
Re:Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo by throw0101c on Friday October 11, 2024 @09:50AM (#41809482)
> Had information on warheads and the like been properly contained, maybe other countries would not have so easily developed the bomb.

The Soviets had people inside the Manhattan Project / Los Alamos. As the US made progress that information was fed to the Soviets/Russians.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Fuchs

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_spies

Re:Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo by tgv on Friday October 11, 2024 @10:39AM (#41809867)
Not so easily, but they would have done it. Once it was known, there wouldn't have been any way to stop Stalin. His paranoia knew no limits. And then there would have been dozens, hundreds when the war would break out, nobody would be scared to use them.
Re:Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo by smsm42 on Friday October 11, 2024 @04:41PM (#41813510)
Unfortunately, democracies have their downsides. One of them is that "properly containing" things is extremely hard. Soviet spy network was vast and infiltrated all tiers of US society, and without instituting some extremely draconian policies, compared to which McCarthy would look like a hippie, I don't see how it would be possible to prevent it. Especially given a lot of top scientists were, unfortunately, if not communists themselves than quite friendly with communists and would probably refuse to cooperate with any draconian regime that would be capable of suppressing the communist networks.