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Re:Were RNNs All We Needed? by roboboffin on Friday October 04, 2024 @02:31PM (#41744220)
It’s not reasoning, it retrieval of a pattern, and that pattern may contain reasoning.

The prompt engineering is the real reasoning, provided by the human.

Re:Were RNNs All We Needed? by quantadev on Friday October 04, 2024 @03:15PM (#41744675)
Yeah, these kinds of discussions always devolve purely into debates about what's the proper definition of words. Especially on HN where everyone has their "Pedantic Knob" dialed up to 11.
Re:Were RNNs All We Needed? by roboboffin on Friday October 04, 2024 @03:45PM (#41744937)
I understand your point. I apologise, if I am coming across pendantic.

My point is computers already follow algorithms, and algorithms contain reasoning; but the computers are not reasoning themselves. At least, not yet!

Re:Were RNNs All We Needed? by arolihas on Friday October 04, 2024 @04:58PM (#41745516)
You're not being pedantic at all. It's a crucial distinction that people try to wave away in favor of hype. Especially since we are so vulnerable to anthropomorphizing.
Re:Were RNNs All We Needed? by quantadev on Friday October 04, 2024 @05:05PM (#41745578)
You weren't being pedantic yourself. My point is that this discussion is ultimately about the definition of words, and that all by itself, makes the discussion meaningless.

I think a "granule" of "reasoning" happens at each inference, and you think there is no reasoning in a single inference. To discuss it further would be a game of whose definition of any given word is correct.