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Re:Bots, so many bots by throwaway48476 on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @03:04AM (#41717955)
The problem is that website owners want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to make data public but not so public that it can be copied. It's the same problem as DRM which doesn't work. It's an inherent contradiction.

Web devs also bloat the hell out of sites with MB of Javascript and overcomplicated design. It would be far cheaper to just have a static site and use CDN.

Re:Bots, so many bots by imiric on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @04:31AM (#41718427)
CAPTCHAs can protect public resources as well. But the main problem here is about preventing generated spam content, not scraping. This can be mitigated by placing CAPTCHAs only on pages with signup/login and comment forms.
Re:Bots, so many bots by throwaway48476 on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @04:35AM (#41718451)
>This can be mitigated by placing CAPTCHAs only on signup/login and comment forms.

If only...

Algorithmic turing test is a more interesting problem. https://xkcd.com/810/

Traditional captcha solving ability has already been surpassed by the bots which is now why there's so many new and creative different CAPTCHAs. Until someone trains a model to solve them that is.

Re:Bots, so many bots by imiric on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @07:13AM (#41719302)
It's a never-ending arms race. CAPTCHA services are improving just as the attackers are. Just because they're not 100% accurate or effective doesn't mean they're worthless. They're just the first line of defense.
Re:Bots, so many bots by pixl97 on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @07:48AM (#41719530)
Just don't forget the scale doesn't stop at zero. They can be less than worthless and cost you actual humans visiting your site.
Re:Bots, so many bots by kamray23 on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @05:15AM (#41718656)
That'd be a nice way of looking at it, if serving content was cheap. It is not. I want to put my CV online, but I'm not willing to shill out tens of thousands every year to have it scraped for gigabytes per day. Doesn't happen, you say? Didn't before, definitely. Now there's so many scrapers building data sets that I've certainly had to block entire ranges of IPs due to repeated wasting of money.

It's like the classic "little lambda thing" that someone posts on HN and finds a $2 million invoice in their inbox a couple weeks later. Except instead of going viral your achievements get mulched by AI.

Re:Bots, so many bots by probably_wrong on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @06:48AM (#41719157)
I have a personal website (including my CV in PDF), blog, and self-hosted email. A story I posted once made the HN frontpage and my e-mail is in my profile, meaning my content is read by more bots than humans.

My monthly hosting costs are ca. $10 a month. Therefore I'm really curious: if hosting your CV requires "tens of thousands every year", what does your setup looks like?

Re:Bots, so many bots by afiori on Saturday October 05, 2024 @12:48PM (#41751145)
I imagine it is something about bandwidth costs
Re:Bots, so many bots by throwaway48476 on Wednesday October 02, 2024 @05:41AM (#41718793)
Gigabytes? How big is your CV?

>lambda thing

I never understood why anyone thought this was ever a good idea. QoS is a natural rate limit for non critical resources.