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Re:BorgBackup 2.0 supports Rclone – over 70 cloud providers ... by dewey on Tuesday October 01, 2024 @07:45AM (#41707136)
This always gets repeated, sounds good and makes sense theoretically but in reality there's no good way to do that and it should be the job of a computer to that.

Restoring one file from the backup, works but what if something else is corrupted?

Restoring the system from the image, works but what if some directory is not in the backup and you don't see that while testing?

Re:BorgBackup 2.0 supports Rclone – over 70 cloud providers ... by iphoneisbetter on Tuesday October 01, 2024 @08:00AM (#41707250)
You are so wrong it hurts to read this shit on my screen. I've personally witnessed DOZENS of instances where a backup, thought of as "good", turned out to be un-restorable in the timeframe needed: total fucking paperweight of useless shit.

The point is not only to verify the data is good/not-good. The point is also to practice the procedure and build muscle memory.

If you don't practice important stuff, you're a dumb motherfucker.

Re:BorgBackup 2.0 supports Rclone – over 70 cloud providers ... by witten on Tuesday October 01, 2024 @11:04AM (#41709371)
borgmatic's "spot" check (probabilistically) protects against both of those failure modes: https://torsion.org/borgmatic/docs/how-to/deal-with-very-lar...
Re:BorgBackup 2.0 supports Rclone – over 70 cloud providers ... by dewey on Tuesday October 01, 2024 @11:10AM (#41709457)
Indeed, I think these kind of automated checks are much more helpful than telling people they have to "test" test their backup. If a backup software doesn't do that automatically and reports if there's something off it's not good software or user experience.
Re:BorgBackup 2.0 supports Rclone – over 70 cloud providers ... by l33tman on Tuesday October 01, 2024 @11:24AM (#41709637)
I think the point is that if your data is valuable enough for you, you can't really trust that option in the backup tool to work - maybe you misunderstood some config option and the test now isn't really run, the tool is broken, or is run only on some of the backup files or dirs etc... or your original config might have missed a folder because it was mounted through some other filesystem (happened to me with Borg actually, and my whole /home/user dir especially wasn't backed up for the first 6 months I ran it :).

Seems to be good to have another tool that you either manually or automatically can setup to run regularly that tries to locate random files from your existing file system in the backups? Something like that.. though that other tool might be broken as well of course... :/

Re:BorgBackup 2.0 supports Rclone – over 70 cloud providers ... by dewey on Tuesday October 01, 2024 @11:35AM (#41709791)
It's a very hard problem. In the end everyone is having an increasing amount of data where double checking it manually is not feasible any more and a perfect solution is maybe not possible.

Reling on software with good defaults that a lot of people use is probably a relatively safe bet combined with a second or third backup system (Personally I use Backblaze and Time Machine).