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Re:Unplanned Exposure During Diving in the Spent Nuclear Fue... by minetest2048 on Friday September 27, 2024 @11:29PM (#41677637)
> If you have to deal with radioactive materials, why not just use fission?

One of the reasons is that we can make nuclear bombs out of it. People currently value not getting nuked more than clean and unlimited fission energy, so everything that might be used to make nukes are insanely regulated. This have downstream effects that make nuclear fission hard and expensive:

- With renewable energy power plants, you can use normal security. With nuclear fusion power plants, stealing a big tokamak wall to make dirty bomb is hard, so you can still use normal security. With fission power plants you need special armed security

- You need to provide accountability to IAEA to prove that you don't smuggle those plutonium away to make nukes. This affects the nuclear power plant design, as you don't want to have any blind spot where the operator can smuggle the nuclear material away: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HHMAht3gSg

- Some countries ban nuclear waste reprocessing because they don't want someone using the plutonium from reprocessing process to make nukes. This is really sad as they're throwing all the good fuel away from the waste. Similar story with breeder reactors

With meltdown risk at least its solvable by safer reactor design, but there's no way we can remove those expensive safeguards.

Re:Unplanned Exposure During Diving in the Spent Nuclear Fue... by chickenbig on Saturday September 28, 2024 @03:42AM (#41678624)
> One of the reasons is that we can make nuclear bombs out of it.

Are you talking about a dirty bomb? Spent nuclear fuel from PWR/BWR do not contain the right isotopes of Plutonium. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactor-grade_plutonium

> People currently value not getting nuked more than clean and unlimited fission energy

This looks like a false-choice. A choice between the presence of nuclear weapons vs unlimited fission energy might be slightly fairer, but many countries have a civil nuclear program without nuclear weapons.

> With renewable energy power plants, you can use normal security

Non-"normal security" is not a great cost for a nuclear power station (1+ GW). 50 extra staff might be 5M USD a year extra, so 0.60 USD/MWh more. Scaling to more reactors per site would give economies of scale.

> You need to provide accountability to IAEA to prove that you don't smuggle those plutonium away to make nukes.

Accountability is good; tracking where each fuel bundle is and goes is fairly standard practice (at least nowadays), no? Audits don't have to be a pain if their requirements mesh with the business processes.

> This is really sad as they're throwing all the good fuel away from the waste.

The Plutonium is good stuff for breeder reactors. The depleted Uranium bulk is less useful, as we have thousands of tonnes already sitting around. Perhaps the most interesting aspect of reprocessing is the extraction and vitrification of fission products. Less bulk, splitting the higher activity products out of the bulk, reducing the storage requirements.

> there's no way we can remove those expensive safeguards

Rules can be changed. De-escalation is possible!

Re:Unplanned Exposure During Diving in the Spent Nuclear Fue... by pfdietz on Saturday September 28, 2024 @06:56AM (#41679404)
One can make nuclear bombs using fusion as well.

Consider Helion's design. This reactor will produce copious excess neutrons and tritium from DD fusion. A single 50 MW (average) Helion reactor would produce enough neutrons in a year to make half a ton of plutonium in a fission-suppressed blanket. It would also produce more than enough tritium to enable all the bombs made from the plutonium to be boosted. And this is a single, rather small fusion reactor!

Cheap neutrons would be a proliferation nightmare.

Re:Unplanned Exposure During Diving in the Spent Nuclear Fue... by rkharsan64 on Saturday September 28, 2024 @03:18PM (#41682388)
Modern Thermonuclear bombs (also called Hydrogen bombs) work on fusion. The only reason why they use fission is to trigger a fusion reaction.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermonuclear_weapon

Re:Unplanned Exposure During Diving in the Spent Nuclear Fue... by andreareina on Saturday September 28, 2024 @08:54PM (#41683975)
Not the only reason. You can get a significant boost in energy release by using uranium in the tamper.
Re:Unplanned Exposure During Diving in the Spent Nuclear Fue... by mystified5016 on Sunday September 29, 2024 @12:16PM (#41688372)
Industrial fertilizer can (and is) used to make bombs. Sometimes accidentally, see Beruit.

Since it's so dangerous and rife for abuse, we shouldn't allow anyone to use it despite the obvious benefits, right?

This is fear mongering and nothing more.