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Re:Money-Laundering Practices in the Online Scam Industry by earnesti on Friday September 27, 2024 @11:30AM (#41671708)
Not providing KYC is definitely not a crime. It happens all the time. What usually happens is that the bank just terminates the account, after a while.
Re:Money-Laundering Practices in the Online Scam Industry by beaglessss on Friday September 27, 2024 @11:36AM (#41671798)
I suspect a lot of people would be eager to know the names of these banks that let customers operate without KYC for awhile.
Re:Money-Laundering Practices in the Online Scam Industry by JumpCrisscross on Friday September 27, 2024 @12:10PM (#41672315)
> a lot of people would be eager to know the names of these banks that let customers operate without KYC for awhile

Non sequitur. Banks generally have to have KYC to do business, though there are famous exceptions in history. There is no jurisdiction I know of in which as a customer not providing KYC is itself a crime.

Re:Money-Laundering Practices in the Online Scam Industry by beaglessss on Friday September 27, 2024 @12:49PM (#41672788)
The customer isnt charged, it is the bank/entity or persons there. Not legal advice but failure if AML and not collecting identifying information is charged under 31 USC 5322 under indictment I'm reading.

The law here notes even some CFRs are criminally binding, the CFRs explicitly require certain identification.

Re:Money-Laundering Practices in the Online Scam Industry by johngladtj on Friday September 27, 2024 @11:37AM (#41671815)
You're so close, but so far.

What happens if the banks don't close it?

Re:Money-Laundering Practices in the Online Scam Industry by earnesti on Friday September 27, 2024 @11:43AM (#41671908)
Later they might get a fine, which is just the cost of doing business for them.
Re:Money-Laundering Practices in the Online Scam Industry by beaglessss on Friday September 27, 2024 @11:51AM (#41672048)
Unless someone dislikes them, in which case they will unwittingly accept a sanctioned entity and then the indictment will scream bloody murder that this was basically all about not doing KYC (even though we all know sanctioned entities operate on white market using dark identity, so regular banks guilty too).
Re:Money-Laundering Practices in the Online Scam Industry by JumpCrisscross on Friday September 27, 2024 @12:24PM (#41672489)
> in which case they will unwittingly accept a sanctioned entity and then the indictment will scream bloody murder that this was basically all about not doing KYC

Example? Every one I can think of involved the bank not doing KYC, criminals taking advantage of it, and evidence at least some people at the bank knew what was happening. (Usually because authorities told the bank they were doing business with criminals and the bank responded by shuffling things around so they could continue doing that business.)

Re:Money-Laundering Practices in the Online Scam Industry by beaglessss on Friday September 27, 2024 @12:34PM (#41672611)
Banks are always doing business with criminals and sanctioned entities and they know that, although not always when and where.

The difference is if the bank does KYC and the criminal uses a dark identity, the bank will likely get away with it. If the bank just gives each person a random number as their only identifier like the old swiss accounts, then they'll be warned sanctioned entities are using it and ultimately prosecuted when they fail to KYC (i.e. similar but but identical to CZ).

Re:Money-Laundering Practices in the Online Scam Industry by JumpCrisscross on Friday September 27, 2024 @01:06PM (#41673016)
> difference is if the bank does KYC and the criminal uses a dark identity, the bank will likely get away with it

What is a dark entity? Have you worked in finance? Because if you collect KYC and accepted forged or faulty documents, the moment you figure out what's going on is the moment you call your personal lawyer.

Re:Money-Laundering Practices in the Online Scam Industry by beaglessss on Friday September 27, 2024 @01:24PM (#41673260)
One example is criminal pays a heroin addict for their real ID and then basically uses them as pass through nominee on the account.
Re:Money-Laundering Practices in the Online Scam Industry by JumpCrisscross on Friday September 27, 2024 @01:39PM (#41673442)
> criminal pays a heroin addict for their real ID and then basically uses them as pass through nominee on the account

Sure. If you're at a financial institution and accept that documentation, you're personally in for a world of hurt. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, either due to someone being negligent, overworked or happy to look the other way. But if it's caught, it's not great for the individual. (The bank will survive after paying a fine unless it's systemic.)

Re:Money-Laundering Practices in the Online Scam Industry by beaglessss on Friday September 27, 2024 @02:09PM (#41673825)
I imagine they usually don't know. Some fraction of identities are real IDs taken advantage of by sanctioned entities. If you bank at all you knowingly accept some level of sanctioned entities, but often don't know what identity they operate.
Re:Money-Laundering Practices in the Online Scam Industry by JumpCrisscross on Friday September 27, 2024 @02:15PM (#41673882)
> Some fraction of identities are real IDs taken advantage of by sanctioned entities

Sure. But if the addict you mentioned's account goes from overdrafting every few weeks to holding millions of dollars, that should set off internal alarms.