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Re:NASA spacecraft to probe possibility of life in Europa's ... by bastawhiz on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @06:19AM (#41645720)
Stepping on my soapbox once again to say that putting money towards science doesn't take away money from everything else. There's no shortage of money, or corporations that can be taxes, or people who didn't pay their fair share that can be taxed. Don't get upset with the science, get upset with the politicians who don't give a shit about the programs you care about or enforcing tax law.
Re:NASA spacecraft to probe possibility of life in Europa's ... by Epa095 on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @07:39AM (#41646191)
In all practical terms there is a shortage of money(and resources), since then entities you mention are powerful enough to stop the extra taxation.
Re:NASA spacecraft to probe possibility of life in Europa's ... by bastawhiz on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @08:04AM (#41646415)
By that logic the powers that be can arbitrarily decrease the amount of money for social or science programs at any time at their whim. Why do any science when you could be feeding the starving, and money could run out at any second?

That's ridiculous, though. But it's the logical extreme of the defeatist argument that there's no way to get more money for these things.

Re:NASA spacecraft to probe possibility of life in Europa's ... by Epa095 on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @10:31AM (#41647965)
So you think we can always just tax them more, and they would accept that? That's equally absurd.

It's obvious that we can tax them a bit, but if we tax them too much they use their power to stop it. That power manifests in many ways. It can be to give money to right wing politicians, or it can be to move to lower-tax regimes. But anyway it's clear that there is not an unlimited pot of rich/corporate tax money out there ready for the picking without resistance.

Re:NASA spacecraft to probe possibility of life in Europa's ... by ttoinou on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @06:32AM (#41645810)
Money is infinite but resources needed to send a probe outta space are quite limited
Re:NASA spacecraft to probe possibility of life in Europa's ... by sph on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @06:40AM (#41645853)
Then let's not spend any resources but instead spend time weeping. It's not like stockpiling plutonium, gold, iridium and other rare earths metals used in spaceships is gonna make the world any better.

Should we instead force the scientists working on this to abandon space research to "fix the ills of the world" so they do "something useful" instead?

I honestly don't know what people who keep complaining about scientific research, especially space exploration, want. It is not those billions spent to send a probe to Europa the cause or the solution to the world's problems. Hint: it is not money the cause nor the solution to the world's problems, nor are drive-by social media activists complaining about it.

Re:NASA spacecraft to probe possibility of life in Europa's ... by pclmulqdq on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @03:33PM (#41651029)
A big part of why this kind of space research is worth doing is weapons development. That is a big part of why huge money goes to space research - because it's more efficient to give that cash to JPL than to Raytheon in terms of developing certain kinds of rocketry and robotics technologies.

In comparison, many other branches of science work on much leaner budgets, and sending stuff to space actually does look very wasteful from a "$ per paper" perspective. If you disregard the weapons development value, there is actually very little reason to do these big-money experiments that could instead support the research of hundreds or thousands of more frugal science experiments.

At the same time, there are lots of ways to do space research more cheaply, like launching small satellites. Most of the people who don't like this stuff are against the billion-dollar single missions rather than against astrophysics or against the concept of sending things to space. Many of them also are against the FCC project at CERN, for example.

Re:NASA spacecraft to probe possibility of life in Europa's ... by bastawhiz on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @07:41AM (#41646195)
You're right, we should get more kids into STEM!
Re:NASA spacecraft to probe possibility of life in Europa's ... by jsbg on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @10:54AM (#41648230)
It's the other way around. Money is finite and the curiosity we want to satisfy is infinite.
Re:NASA spacecraft to probe possibility of life in Europa's ... by ttoinou on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @11:35AM (#41648585)
In our financial system money can be created at will
Re:NASA spacecraft to probe possibility of life in Europa's ... by jsbg on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @12:15PM (#41649010)
Printing money is not the same thing as creating value.
Re:NASA spacecraft to probe possibility of life in Europa's ... by ttoinou on Thursday September 26, 2024 @04:49AM (#41656047)
Everybody knows that but you’re the one who just said « money is finite »
Re:NASA spacecraft to probe possibility of life in Europa's ... by bigstrat2003 on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @12:18PM (#41649037)
> Stepping on my soapbox once again to say that putting money towards science doesn't take away money from everything else.

This is objectively not true. Resource usage (money or other resources) is zero sum, and every dime spent on science is money that cannot be used for something else. I'm not opposed to spending money on science, but it doesn't do any good to make false claims like this.

Re:NASA spacecraft to probe possibility of life in Europa's ... by bluGill on Wednesday September 25, 2024 @02:33PM (#41650444)
Zero sum isn't quite true. I only work a 40 hour week and would like to cut back, but I could work more hours and I'd likely be more productive.