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Re:GitHub Notification Emails Hijacked to Send Malware by obscurette on Friday September 20, 2024 @03:04AM (#41599548)
I'm old enough to remember ILOVEYOU. During years after that I have seen millions and millions thrown into educating users not to click on wrong things.

Last month I was in conference where the keynote was from CEO of cyber security company. The whole point of the speech was that we need more money because in some cases more than 80% users still fall into email scams. My very serious question to the speaker was - if after many millions and almost 25 years more than 80% users still click on wrong links, then maybe we do something really wrong?

Re:GitHub Notification Emails Hijacked to Send Malware by mnau on Friday September 20, 2024 @03:59AM (#41599792)
We are not not doing anything wrong, but we are completely neglecting the attacker side.

All our actions are defensive.

Look at our physical security. Basically nothing is reasonably protected. 99% of stuff (buildings, locks) can be broken into with tools available in any home depot.

The key reason why it doesn't happen that much is because it's possible to find the attacker.

Why can any scammed just create a website without any traceability? It wouldn't be foolproof, but it would raise a bar.

Re:GitHub Notification Emails Hijacked to Send Malware by chii on Friday September 20, 2024 @04:30AM (#41599956)
> Why can any scammed just create a website without any traceability?

because jurisdictional challenges.

Not to mention that this very same traceability would be abused by some other authoritarian gov't to track down dissidents for example.

There's no real way to systematically have good security, if the human element is the weakest link tbh. Securing windows is not a technical problem, but a social and educational one.

Re:GitHub Notification Emails Hijacked to Send Malware by mnau on Friday September 20, 2024 @04:46AM (#41600042)
More like no will.

Does the domain/server implements required level? No? Block connection. Dtto email with automatic response.

Is your IP in a botnet? Cut it off.

Edit: I already get blocked connection (on target site) because EU regulation is too onerous. I get reminded on basically every Google search I am being censored (Some results may have been removed under data protection law in Europe).

Completely doable.

Re:GitHub Notification Emails Hijacked to Send Malware by GTP on Friday September 20, 2024 @05:12AM (#41600150)
> I already get blocked connection (on target site) because EU regulation is too onerous

More like "we want to track every single user coming to our website without giving them the option to not be tracked".

Re:GitHub Notification Emails Hijacked to Send Malware by mnau on Friday September 20, 2024 @05:29AM (#41600227)
You can serve consent form only to the connections from EU.

I have been part of se several GDPR compliance projects and it's the other stuff that's the problem.

Data protection officer (recurring cost, even though it is only a part of a job, not full time position) , user data deletion and user data take-out. Compliance is not free. If system wasn't designed from the beginning, it's really expensive to add it.

Restore from backup after disaster recovery - make sure you anonymize/delete people who were deleted after backup was made.

BTW, IP address is PII, so...

Honestly, it would be cheaper to buy everyone in EU VPN.

Re:GitHub Notification Emails Hijacked to Send Malware by janc_ on Friday September 20, 2024 @07:13AM (#41600816)
It's actually very simple & cheap to be compliant: stop tracking EU citizens.
Re:GitHub Notification Emails Hijacked to Send Malware by GTP on Friday September 20, 2024 @08:27AM (#41601319)
> You can serve consent form only to the connections from EU.

Why? While I get that, if tracking is part of someone's business model, they want to track as many people as possible, I doubt it would be illegal to give also people that aren't in the EU the option to not be tracked. If it really would be so expensive to be compliant while also differentiating between users connecting from the EU and users connecting from outside the EU, why not just give everyone the option to choose if they want tracking as a measure to cut compliance cost?

Re:GitHub Notification Emails Hijacked to Send Malware by guappa on Friday September 20, 2024 @05:21AM (#41600192)
What do you suggest? Bomb even more countries?
Re:GitHub Notification Emails Hijacked to Send Malware by mnau on Friday September 20, 2024 @05:31AM (#41600238)
You don't need to bomb anyone.

Add IP rules at cables inside and out of let's say EU and block it there.

Same way we deal with any non-compliance thing. You can't import it.

Your server/domain doesn't satisfy requirments. Either the originator complies or not (e.g. through trusted third party).

Re:GitHub Notification Emails Hijacked to Send Malware by guappa on Friday September 20, 2024 @05:57AM (#41600373)
Because ip geolocation has always been reliable and never inaccurate?
Re:GitHub Notification Emails Hijacked to Send Malware by mnau on Friday September 20, 2024 @06:33AM (#41600550)
No geolocation is needed. And even if it was, these are technical problems, inherently solve able.

So far, we are building walls and replacing mortar with a new one, while attackers bombard us with complete impunity. This is never going to work.

This would of course need new extensions /protocols (even simplest would require authentication envelope around encrypted traffic).

Re:GitHub Notification Emails Hijacked to Send Malware by guappa on Friday September 20, 2024 @06:45AM (#41600633)
The problem is that you think a societal problem can be solved technically.
Re:GitHub Notification Emails Hijacked to Send Malware by mnau on Friday September 20, 2024 @07:31AM (#41600924)
The whole point is to move from technical solution (i.e. current approach) to legal one.

Not a single response had anything to do with either problem ITA or my comment.

I am not sure if you are troll, 10 y/o or gpt1, but have a nice day.

Re:GitHub Notification Emails Hijacked to Send Malware by guappa on Monday September 23, 2024 @03:42AM (#41623414)
Quite humble of you to presume anyone who disagrees with your "brilliant" idea has something wrong with their brain.
Re:GitHub Notification Emails Hijacked to Send Malware by unethical_ban on Friday September 20, 2024 @03:36PM (#41604931)
Do you think people should have to get permission to host a server on the internet?
Re:GitHub Notification Emails Hijacked to Send Malware by bugtodiffer on Friday September 20, 2024 @03:12AM (#41599586)
We are, but people want convenience.

Try to get a company built around Word to use another tech that doesn't requires running unsigned macros from emails...

You literally can't, they lough at you for saying things like "don't use Microsoft"

Re:GitHub Notification Emails Hijacked to Send Malware by carschno on Friday September 20, 2024 @03:52AM (#41599768)
I also find it inconvenient to unlock my car, apartment etc. before I can open the door. If companies were selling doors that were 99% secure even without that inconvenience, they might not even be lying explicitly.

The difference for software being marketed like that is that most of its users do not have the knowledge to (in-)validate such claims, so some will believe it. Consequently, some of them lose various amounts of money due to lacking security. Some others don't, so all is fine.

Re:GitHub Notification Emails Hijacked to Send Malware by guappa on Friday September 20, 2024 @05:24AM (#41600202)
They measure by clicks… but clicking a link doesn't mean you'll follow through and put in your username, password, and 2fa code.

Ultimately he's a businessman seeking for more money. Doesn't mean he can be trusted.

Re:GitHub Notification Emails Hijacked to Send Malware by kayodelycaon on Friday September 20, 2024 @07:16AM (#41600832)
In my opinion, these products are nothing but scams. I can’t use any links from work emails on my phone because I can’t see the domain of a link without previewing the page. IT told me I needed to change system-wide settings to disable previewing webpages in every app on my phone. Not happening.

Fortunately, my work email supports IMAP, so I can use a script to scan my inbox for fake phishing emails and delete them.