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Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by dumbo-octopus on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @04:30PM (#41585083)
You don’t need all the middle nodes. Just the entry and exit, and enough data to do packet timing analysis to correlate them. It’s in fact shockingly easy for a well provisioned actor to trace tor traffic, and this is something the TOR project openly admits.

They’re financed by the US Government after all…

Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by basedrum on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @04:35PM (#41585143)
Tor does have padding defenses to protect against that.

Also, according to their latest blog post on their finances, while it is true they have money from the US Government, that was only ~50% of their income (I think that was 2023). For the FUD part of that comment, see the "U.S. Government Support" section of https://blog.torproject.org/transparency-openness-and-our-20...

Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by dumbo-octopus on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @06:56PM (#41586545)
“Only half” is hilarious. Thanks for that.

And if you trust the NSA can’t overcome correlation in the presence of “padding defenses”, then sure: TOR is secure.

Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by 867-5309 on Thursday September 19, 2024 @06:37AM (#41590429)
I wonder how many tor users actually know this. tor would probably not exist in the same capacity without that funding
Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by tru3_power on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @10:35PM (#41587916)
Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by alphan0n on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @10:40PM (#41587943)
Onion sites do not utilize an exit node.
Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by dumbo-octopus on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @11:09PM (#41588110)
There is a node that delivers your packet to the target server, is there not?
Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by alphan0n on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @11:13PM (#41588134)
If the server is on the Tor network, an onion server, then it is encrypted end to end and no traffic or identity is exposed to either the onion server or any intermediary.

That is to say, if I started an onion server on one side of the world, then connected to it from somewhere else, my connection to it would be anonymous and encrypted to any external entity.

Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by dumbo-octopus on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @11:57PM (#41588344)
How are you imagining the penultimate node in the chain connects to the target server without knowing anything about them?
Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by alphan0n on Thursday September 19, 2024 @12:03AM (#41588382)
This is well understood public knowledge.

https://community.torproject.org/onion-services/overview/

Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by alphan0n on Thursday September 19, 2024 @08:28PM (#41597681)
This: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S266729522...

Uses a dataset created from aggregation of logs from all nodes in a simulated Tor environment to train a model that can identify the onion server's IP based on fingerprints created from that model.

>We ran the modified Tor software in the Shadow simulation environment to obtain a large amount of circuits for analysis. Shadow is a discrete-event network simulator developed specifically for Tor network simulation experiments and can run Tor software directly. Therefore, Shadow follows all logic related to Tor circuits. In the simulation environment provided by Shadow, we can build servers, clients, directory authorities, onion services and relays, and can control all nodes. Therefore, we can get circuit data in Shadow without the real Tor network.

This is: a) Not a real world example b) Not an example of interception of unencrypted traffic between a client and an onion site c) Not de-anonymization of a client

This: https://www.usenix.org/system/files/raid2019-iacovazzi.pdf

Is super interesting, it's a real world example of using collusion of an entry node that inserts "watermarked" data to identify an onion service.

It does not: a) Intercept or break encryption between client and onion service b) De-anonymize a client

This: https://www.ndss-symposium.org/ndss-paper/flow-correlation-a...

Is the same data watermarking scheme to use entry collusion to identify onion services.

None of your examples show that a connection to an onion server is insecure insofar as data integrity or client anonymity is concerned.

Re:Is Tor still safe to use? by dumbo-octopus on Thursday September 19, 2024 @09:55PM (#41598109)
Ok so you admit we can identify onion services, and it’s common knowledge that the NSA knows your personal traffic patterns. If you think they can’t correlate the two, I have a bridge to sell you.