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Re:Apple Mobile Processors Are Now Made in America. By TSMC by eru on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @10:40AM (#41580276)
> There are no markets without government intervention.

David Friedmann (and others) would like to object, I am sure. See eg http://daviddfriedman.com/Legal%20Systems/LegalSystemsConten... for how many legal systems work without (or despite!) government intervention.

Re:Apple Mobile Processors Are Now Made in America. By TSMC by mlyle on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @11:46AM (#41581300)
Functional markets require a strong mechanism for protection of property rights. The fact that we have some historical systems where that has taken a different form than a conventional government doesn't negate that the only practical mechanism that we have to protect property rights and support markets is a government.

Ancap fantasies aside, of course.

And then, there's lots of situations where externalities exist. If I poop in the river and you're downstream, it costs me nothing; I have no reason to stop.

Re:Apple Mobile Processors Are Now Made in America. By TSMC by eru on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @12:00PM (#41581548)
> Functional markets require a strong mechanism for protection of property rights. The fact that we have some historical systems where that has taken a different form than a conventional government doesn't negate that the only practical mechanism that we have to protect property rights and support markets is a government.

Even if we grant that argument, that's at most an argument in favour of a minimalist nightwatchmen state. Not the full blown Leviathan.

> And then, there's lots of situations where externalities exist. If I poop in the river and you're downstream, it costs me nothing; I have no reason to stop.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coase_theorem