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Re:Buy, Borrow, Die – Explained by relaxing on Saturday August 31, 2024 @04:48PM (#41411834)
> Most people try to minimize taxes.

I don’t think this is true. Most people pay more in taxes, and receive the pleasure of a refund check come April.

Re:Buy, Borrow, Die – Explained by hunter2_ on Saturday August 31, 2024 @05:22PM (#41412108)
I think "minimize taxes" is short for "minimize tax liability" and refunds due to overpayment have absolutely nothing to do with that once you've paid enough to avoid penalties and interest (which is only ~90% of your liability).
Re:Buy, Borrow, Die – Explained by relaxing on Saturday August 31, 2024 @05:58PM (#41412340)
My point is they’re not doing any sort of planning to minimize their liability. They’re not doing sound tax planning of any sort.
Re:Buy, Borrow, Die – Explained by hunter2_ on Saturday August 31, 2024 @06:27PM (#41412518)
Ah, ok. It sounded like one or the other (i.e., people who inflate their refund aren't planning well) but personally I find that adding withholding at an amount that often leads to an inflated refund is a good low-effort way of minimizing risk of underpayment penalties (and it eliminates the need to think about estimated payments) for those good years where substantial gains unexpectedly occur. Of course it's like giving a free loan, which isn't great, but it's miniscule relative to the time I get back by thinking less. And I definitely minimize my liability -- loss harvesting, avoid short term gains, etc. -- so I am squarely in both camps.
Re:Buy, Borrow, Die – Explained by ThunderSizzle on Saturday August 31, 2024 @06:25PM (#41412499)
A tax that is refunded isn't really a tax liability, it's an asset making 0% gain or interest, and will be converted to a cash asset within a 18 months or less.

Regardless, most people don't like tax, and there's not much they can do about it if they are W-2 wage earners short of opening a side business or maxing out retirement investments (which isn't helpful to someone trying to buy a house before they are 65).

Re:Buy, Borrow, Die – Explained by bentley on Saturday August 31, 2024 @05:08PM (#41411994)
Even these people try to minimize their taxes so the refund is larger.
Re:Buy, Borrow, Die – Explained by relaxing on Saturday August 31, 2024 @05:54PM (#41412321)
By doing what? Letting their tax preparer select the EITC? Calling that a “Try” is stretching it.
Re:Buy, Borrow, Die – Explained by WalterBright on Sunday September 01, 2024 @02:16AM (#41414731)
Contributing to an IRA or HSA.
Re:Buy, Borrow, Die – Explained by relaxing on Sunday September 01, 2024 @07:33AM (#41416040)
Most people do not do those things.

And if they do, they’re likely not doing it with tax reasons in mind.