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Re:Orphaning bcachefs-tools in Debian by viraptor on Saturday August 31, 2024 @08:47AM (#41408521)
Go, D, Ocaml, Nim have the same issue, most are older than Rust and are arguably systems languages.

C/C++ built with Bazel or Conan will have the same issue too.

Re:Orphaning bcachefs-tools in Debian by 1oooqooq on Saturday August 31, 2024 @09:55AM (#41408887)
those are userland system applications at most... which i grant is also what the original article talked about, but still.
Re:Orphaning bcachefs-tools in Debian by rc00 on Saturday August 31, 2024 @01:07PM (#41410228)
Go would only be comparable if you had hundreds of vendored dependencies but Go's community and culture have encouraged use of the standard library over external dependencies where possible. A core problem with Rust is the lack of an adequate standard library. The problem with Cargo is when you have an application with hundreds of dependencies. That does not exist in any mainstream Go application.

1. Why Rust Libraries May Never Exist - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=769VqNup21Q

2. The Rust Cargo ecosystem is broken - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdMQwDtumJ8

Re:Orphaning bcachefs-tools in Debian by viraptor on Saturday August 31, 2024 @03:41PM (#41411371)
Having a big standard library doesn't help that much since it needs separate updates. Every other golang app I use requires updated crypto, net, or sync. In theory they come in the standard library, but the moment you need updates, they're exactly the same as other dependencies for packaging purposes. (it's very common, yes I do packaging)
Re:Orphaning bcachefs-tools in Debian by neonsunset on Saturday August 31, 2024 @04:42PM (#41411796)
Go is unlike other languages mentioned here (and this arguably applies to OCaml too).

As much as its standard library superficially looks close to C, it is as equally unlike C in its performance and abstraction level. It does not have suitable tools to do systems programming properly and its compiler and interop capabilities are too weak.