Right. But im supporting these in a business environment with users that arent techy. Windows is basically needed. Privacy isnt even on the radar. And secuirty is handled via companies like crowdstrike.

Yeah I hear you, sounds rough. Any experience with Linux on these devices? Windows BS isn't really an indictment of the hardware running Linux is it?

Hardware generally is great. Biggest complaint is them swapping the fn and ctrl keys, but you can change that in bios.

Most common failure points have been

1. Usb-c going bad on e an l series.

2. Chassis intrusion going off on t x or p series. Which will halt boot and require the user to ack

Got it, thanks. The model I got has the fn and Ctrl keys swapped back to normal. They seem to have gotten the message.