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Re:New Crowdinvesting Rules Mean Everyone Can Play VC by tptacek on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @01:38PM (#4138089)
The buyout might be $20k, but from experience I'd bet that the legal fees to resolve that buyout even if nothing janky happens during the closing is going to be low-mid 6 figures --- just for that one issue, not counting the rest of the closing costs.

And if jankiness occurs, I'd assume that's curtains for the round.

You'd want to watch and see whether VCs and VC-friendly lawyers like WSGR and Orrick come up with standard documents for crowdfunding, but I'm with 'damoncali in thinking that selling equity on something equivalent to Kickstarter is going to be the kiss of investor death for the next several years.

Re:New Crowdinvesting Rules Mean Everyone Can Play VC by damoncali on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @01:56PM (#4138191)
To make things worse, it's a mess to try to find former employees/contractors with .5% to try to buy them out. Can you imagine trying to find the 20 guys who each put in $250 and aren't answering their email? The jank required (and +1 for appropriate use of the word "janky") to derail a professional round may be nothing more than "can't find everyone".
Re:New Crowdinvesting Rules Mean Everyone Can Play VC by waterlesscloud on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @04:32PM (#4138955)
I'm pretty sure the professional VCs and the law firms that represent them will find an efficient way to deal with the issue. That's what they do.
Re:New Crowdinvesting Rules Mean Everyone Can Play VC by damoncali on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @06:08PM (#4139374)
I would assume someone will try to come up with some standard language to wrap this type of investor together into something manageable. If they succeed, it will be a non-issue. But that is a big if. It only takes one difficult shareholder to torpedo a deal. This is all very new, so who knows what will happen. What I'm comfortable saying, though, is that nobody is going to want to deal with crowd funded startups until this is all figured out. It's just not worth it when there are clean deals out there.
Re:New Crowdinvesting Rules Mean Everyone Can Play VC by tptacek on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @04:59PM (#4139061)
No they don't. Any kind of complexity at all in M&A and major investment closings gets insane expensive no matter who's involved.

Have you ever closed a VC round? I did (with 2 cofounders) during the bubble. There was nothing remotely interesting about our paperwork. It was insanely expensive.

Re:New Crowdinvesting Rules Mean Everyone Can Play VC by waterlesscloud on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @05:21PM (#4139171)
I didn't say anything about the cost.

I said they'd find an efficient (for them) way to deal with it.

The point was made that this could derail later rounds, and my response is that methods and approaches will be developed so that is not the case, because solving problems is what these people do.